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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

#2,281
Nic. said:
Is there any information on exactly what BPM the Manta's speed knob settings are? In particular, for MIDI CC control from 0 to 127 on the Manta, is there any way to know what number corresponds to what BPM? I would like to try setting a preset where going from heel down to heel up on my expression goes from crotchets to quavers at the exact tempo my band is recording at, so if there's any exact numbers that'll be a lot easier than trial and error to find the tempos.
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I just looked up the source code for the Manta's tempo table. Unfortunately, it's not a nice logarithmic function - the table has been hand-tuned and therefore it's a little difficult to work with. Based on what I read in the code, I generated a table that converts MIDI CC values to LFO tempo in BPM. This should be correct, but I'm not able to do detailed tests at this time, so please give it a try and let me know if it works.

Code: 
MIDI CC    LFO Tempo (BPM)
0    6.0768
1    6.5736
2    7.0704
3    7.5672
4    8.064
5    8.568
6    9.072
7    9.576
8    10.08
9    10.656
10    11.232
11    11.808
12    12.384
13    13.032
14    13.68
15    14.328
16    14.976
17    15.696
18    16.416
19    17.136
20    17.856
21    18.648
22    19.44
23    20.232
24    21.024
25    21.96
26    22.896
27    23.832
28    24.768
29    25.92
30    27.072
31    28.224
32    29.376
33    30.744
34    32.112
35    33.48
36    34.848
37    36.432
38    38.016
39    39.6
40    41.184
41    42.912
42    44.64
43    46.368
44    48.096
45    50.04
46    51.984
47    53.928
48    55.872
49    58.032
50    60.192
51    62.352
52    64.512
53    67.032
54    69.552
55    72.072
56    74.592
57    77.112
58    79.632
59    82.152
60    84.672
61    87.552
62    90.432
63    93.312
64    96.192
65    99.792
66    103.392
67    106.992
68    110.592
69    114.912
70    119.232
71    123.552
72    127.872
73    133.272
74    138.672
75    144.072
76    149.472
77    156.024
78    162.576
79    169.128
80    175.68
81    183.6
82    191.52
83    199.44
84    207.36
85    216.72
86    226.08
87    235.44
88    244.8
89    255.6
90    266.4
91    277.2
92    288
93    299.52
94    311.04
95    322.56
96    334.08
97    349.2
98    364.32
99    379.44
100    394.56
101    413.28
102    432
103    450.72
104    469.44
105    493.92
106    518.4
107    542.88
108    567.36
109    596.88
110    626.4
111    655.92
112    685.44
113    723.6
114    761.76
115    799.92
116    838.08
117    882
118    925.92
119    969.84
120    1013.76
121    1064.16
122    1114.56
123    1164.96
124    1215.36
125    1215.36
126    1215.36
127    1215.36
 
#2,282
TheSleeve said:
I just looked up the source code for the Manta's tempo table. Unfortunately, it's not a nice logarithmic function - the table has been hand-tuned and therefore it's a little difficult to work with. Based on what I read in the code, I generated a table that converts MIDI CC values to LFO tempo in BPM. This should be correct, but I'm not able to do detailed tests at this time, so please give it a try and let me know if it works.
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Thank you so much! That's a really cool chart. Gonna be pretty useful. I'll probably need to figure out how best to arrange my scenes for the easiest switch between this and hothand filters. Starting to think I might really need to get the solemate soon.
 
#2,289
rsmith601 said:
I have a SASS question:
Do we still have fans of the SB Pro products? Now that we have the SB2 series and will eventually have the One Series, should we continue to sell and support that SB Pros? Just curious! Thank you.
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Never had one, probably won't ever get one.

I'd for sure support those who need it, but selling is a whole different area.
 
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#2,290
FretNoMore said:
I assume the release of the new pedals means new firmware and software versions as well ... and I'm really curious and hopeful about what's included.

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Absolutely I hope that too. I have a 2-3 major (but, as far as I know, completely doable) suggestions for the Hub...but I feel like I've already been obnoxious enough around here!
 
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#2,293
Actually, I think it was confirmed for certain that there would be a new Hub Manager release and I presume a Hub firmware update, but no word on any details.

Okay, I'll go back on my word and say the three things I really want out of a Hub Manager/Hub Firmware update:

(1) Better MIDI Channel flexibility. At a minimum, the ability to send and receive on different channels. More ambitiously, the ability to change the "Send" channel as a function of preset (primarily to output HH3 via MIDI to different 3rd party pedals).
(2) The option to auto-load scene parameters into one of the preset slots so they can be switched on and off without reloading the scene.
(3) Better ways to copy/move scenes within the Hub Manager software.
 
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#2,296
I still see people using the SB Pros, however I switched from the BEF to the Manta as soon as I could get my hands on one, if even just for the size difference.
Aside from the onboard EQ, there's really no advantage of the Pros over the SB2s now (if you've got a Hub and access to the added presets that it offers.)
 
#2,298
FretNoMore said:
I don't know if it's reasonable or realistic to expect much new functionality, it must already have been a huge task adding all the new pedals.
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Well, I wouldn't say I "expect" anything, just hoping for it. I don't know about the "load preset" option, that might be tricky. The MIDI channel issue (the easier case of different global send/receive channels)...unless there is some hardware restriction, then I can't think of any reason this wouldn't be a relatively simple fix (and the usual MIDI functionality, at least for the points of comparison that I have).
 
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#2,299
rsmith601 said:
I have a SASS question:
Do we still have fans of the SB Pro products? Now that we have the SB2 series and will eventually have the One Series, should we continue to sell and support that SB Pros? Just curious! Thank you.
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Honestly I'm about to put both my BEF Pro and MWBD, since I really want to have full hub integration on my board. Im haven't jumped ship with the MWBD pro yet since I'm waiting to see how much getting the hub and the soulmate is gonna be.
 

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