Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[FretNoMore]

OK ... close, but there is a problem, the save to pedal function only seems to work if the scene is saved with the pedal activated, but I would like to save it bypassed. If I try that then the pedal will revert to some other preset that's in the pedal instead of the settings I just dialed in.

I'd love to hear if there is a solution to this use case.

 

[hintz]

So I've been rethinking my opinions on Source Audio pedals lately, the demos for the OFD got my attention, and some of the others as well!!
I had the single channel BEF and my only real complaints were the knobs moved too easily(I always had to reset it) and the plastic enclosure made me nervous, the sound was amazing though.....

after some research, I see the soundblox 2 have presets, and a sturdier construction...plus this hub thing might be the answer for me with even more options, very cool!!!

I used to be Leary of digital FX, but I am sick of noise and other issues, so I think I'm gonna give SA another chance!!

question: does anyone run a compressor or limiter after these(or before?), if so what?? I might put a smaller board together of mostly SA stuff....

 

[jasonmitsch]

I've used an MXR bass comp both before and after SA pedals depending on my wants and needs. The SA pedals work in every situation I've encountered.

 

[kurotenshi]

Yep
1 - MIDI CC #14 is for the Distortion Mix on the SB2 Bass Multiwave Distortion.
2 - I replicated this here, Hub Firmware 1.13 and Manta Version 8. Sending Midi CC#39 changed the LFO speed of the Modulation. Are you positive you have the Depth Knob at a high Value? (all the way left or right) and are you sure the Mod Source is set to an LFO shape?

Well... I believe so because if I went into the speed knob and change it manually I would hear the LFO changing. Plus, the preset I want to control has a rather high depth. I'll assume it is some issue with my MIDI controller and either today or tomorrow I'll try again.

(...)
question: does anyone run a compressor or limiter after these(or before?), if so what?? I might put a smaller board together of mostly SA stuff....

I use an MXR bass compressor before the SB2 Multiwave Bass and Manta, after that I have an EBS Microbass with tube sim which also compresses a bit and in the Microbass loop I have the Programmable EQ and the Dimension.

On my previous setup I would sometimes use a compression driver on the M9, after the MWBD pro and BEF Pro to boost my signal.
I really love the MXR... LED's help a lot and I have never experienced any issues with it and SA stuff working together.

 

[hintz]

[QUOTE="kurotenshi, post: 17003058, member: 148773"



I use an MXR bass compressor before the SB2 Multiwave Bass and Manta, after that I have an EBS Microbass with tube sim which also compresses a bit and in the Microbass loop I have the Programmable EQ and the Dimension.

On my previous setup I would sometimes use a compression driver on the M9, after the MWBD pro and BEF Pro to boost my signal.
I really love the MXR... LED's help a lot and I have never experienced any issues with it and SA stuff working together.[/QUOTE]

thanks, but just so I'm clearer, I'm wondering if anyone felt it was needed after the BEF or Manta...one of the things I dug about the BEF I had was it wasn't overly peak like in its sweep....

either way some good ideas!! I might soon have the opportunity to own a few, so thanks again

 

[FretNoMore]

So far I find the SA pedals are more well behaved dynamics wise than some other pedals; I have not encountered any speaker blowing notes so far so I wouldn't think a compressor or limiter is that necessary.

EDIT: Not necessary with regards to the above; you may of course still want a compressor for other reasons.

 

[hintz]

But yeah, the whole soundblox 2 line is particularly appealing to me after listening to many demos, especially the OFD, orbital modulator, reverb, bass distortion, and the manta...plus the sturdier build, I shouldn't have wrote them off from one pedal!!!

 

[hintz]

From the demos, I'm surprised by how awesome the tubescreamer mode sounds on bass... Assuming I get the OFD, I will definitely try to match my favorite tones from both my current pedal board and from my favorite albums and see how it goes

 

[kurotenshi]

Short answer is no.

Of course these things always depend on what is upstream and IMO, unless you are a master of playing dynamics, a compressor right after the bass is always nice. But on my experience, it is not essencial to have one before and using after can have some very crapy results since, as @FretNoMore said, they are very well behaved.

 

[Dark Barn]

Is the the Reflex still on target for March? I have been holding off on replacing my EP-3 which broke 2 weeks back, in hopes of not throwing money away.

 

[ncabral]

Is the the Reflex still on target for March? I have been holding off on replacing my EP-3 which broke 2 weeks back, in hopes of not throwing money away.

Hi!
We are aiming for April for the One Series and the Reflex

 

[kevteop]

And any ETA on the Solemate?

 

[Adamixoye]

Hi!
We are aiming for April for the One Series and the Reflex

You guys are going to make it REALLY difficult for my wife to order a Reflex before my birthday on April 8th!

 

[ncabral]

And any ETA on the Solemate?

The Solemate should be out by June along with the Nemesis delay

 

[ncabral]

You guys are going to make it REALLY difficult for my wife to order a Reflex before my birthday on April 8th!

A good reason why some people prefer to call it "birthday week" (or month!)

 

[Adamixoye]

A good reason why some people prefer to call it "birthday week" (or month!)

It might have to be this year!

The Solemate should be out by June along with the Nemesis delay

Well, now Father's Day is taken up too.*









[*I did once get the go-ahead to buy myself a PT-Pro for Father's Day, but otherwise I usually do not get big gifts for Father's Day.]

 

[Nic.]

Whoa. I think Talkbass's notifications system screwed up. I haven't gotten a single notification about this thread for nearly two weeks and I was wondering why it was so inactive. Looks like I missed a whole lot of really important updates!

An important note about the recent updates. Per request from many users, you can now set MIDI channels in multiple places.

Each bit of scene data must have the same MIDI Channel (set in the Additional Control area of the pedal editor) and this much match the pedal’s MIDI channel. You can view the MIDI channel of the pedal by clicking “View Info” when the pedal is highlighted in the “Connected Devices” area.

let me know, here or email is ok - this is important information for us to improve on our products.

This sounds pretty confusing to me at the moment... is there a manual or something that explains exactly how this works? Reading later posts suggests that what it does is lets you assign different channels to different pedals so you don't control all at once? But can you also assign different channels to different MIDI controllers or something like that? And can you assign the hothand/expression pedal to different MIDI CC numbers? I've been wanting to be able to expression control the manta's blend knob while simultaneously using the hothand to control the filter.

OK ... close, but there is a problem, the save to pedal function only seems to work if the scene is saved with the pedal activated, but I would like to save it bypassed. If I try that then the pedal will revert to some other preset that's in the pedal instead of the settings I just dialed in.

I haven't tried it yet and I won't be able to do any firmware updating soon, but I'm assuming it's simply ignoring bypassed pedals in the scene. Until they've done an update, would it help if you put multiple engaged instances of the pedal? So it runs through the two presets on the scene and saves them to the pedal, and leaves it with one particular preset on? Or perhaps if you have three presets you can order it so it saves preset 1 then preset 2 then sets the pedal to bypass.

question: does anyone run a compressor or limiter after these(or before?), if so what?? I might put a smaller board together of mostly SA stuff....

I'm using a Zoom MS60B to compress, noise gate and EQ. The noise gate isn't actually necessary since the SA pedals have noise gates too, but since I've a vacant slot I decided I might as well. The reason why I'm using this EQ (over the SA PEQ) is that the PEQ doesn't have a parametric, which I find useful to scan and cut problematic frequencies.

So far I find the SA pedals are more well behaved dynamics wise than some other pedals; I have not encountered any speaker blowing notes so far so I wouldn't think a compressor or limiter is that necessary.

EDIT: Not necessary with regards to the above; you may of course still want a compressor for other reasons.

I find it helps a lot when doing wobbles, though. Makes the note a lot more consistent. Well, it also boils down to insufficiently consistent technique on my part, but it certainly helps a lot.

Also, I've found a pretty nice trick; if you have very high gain octave foldback distortion with lows cut, and blend between the two, playing very lightly gives only the octave up, and as you increase playing volume, the low note comes back in gradually. The compressor helps to even out the volume differences between the two so you can get a pretty useful effect with that.

The Solemate should be out by June along with the Nemesis delay

Great! That's in time for MY birthday

 

[Nic.]

And now to post what I came here to post...

My band's putting out our first proper recordings soon and I was in the studio tracking bass last night. The producer was rather intrigued and curious about the effects I was using. I brought my laptop and controlled everything from there instead - using the Hub Manager was really convenient, rather than fiddling with knobs and cycling through selectors to make adjustments, I could just click and drag on the screen. And saving scenes is really useful, so I could go back to any previous settings I wanted. I got the sound dialed in really fast. The guys at Source Audio really came up with something pretty awesome when they decided to make the hub editable from computer!

After that, I took out the hothand to start recording, and the producer did a double take and insisted on pausing for a while to check out and play with this cool new thing. After playing around with it for a bit, he took one of the few cats that roam the studio and...



... the hothand is now Cat-Approved!

If anyone's wondering, this patch uses the Guitar OFD on Tube Drive low gain as a preamp, running into Multiwave foldback octaver 14 on max gain, about 40% dry and 70% wet with low cut and mid boost on the wet, into hothand-controlled low pass on the manta, going through the studio's Fender Bassman. I can upload this patch if anyone wants.

My guitarist also took a handphone video of my distortion patch for one of our heavier songs, it's similar to the above but without the manta and more dry signal for definition:



And for good measure, more cats with Source Audio pedals:

 

[Adamixoye]

Has this been posted yet?

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[Adamixoye]

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