Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[Johno Dunn]

The midi to the SA pedals can be handled by the Hub via the TRRS cables. MIDI PC messages will recall Hub scene presets. If connecting thusly, you’d need to use CCs if you wanted direct access to the pedals’ onboard presets. You’ll still need the DMC to send PC and CC messages (unless you have an alternative controller).

Thanks. The Midi thing is very foreign to me. DMC talked me through getting the Spectrum and the Micro to talk. Getting the EQ to listen to Le Bass was very easy. I like easy.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Thanks. The Midi thing is very foreign to me. DMC talked me through getting the Spectrum and the Micro to talk. Getting the EQ to listen to Le Bass was very easy. I like easy.

From a cursory read of the Le Bass website, it looks like you can use it to send PC and CC messages.

I know it’s probably early days but I’d highly recommend the Morningstar MC6 MKII as a MIDI controller. It’s fully customisable and can be as simple or as complex as you want it to be and it’s a breeze to program. It’s also small and runs off standard 9V power with a low draw.

 

[Hugsonic]

The midi to the SA pedals can be handled by the Hub via the TRRS cables. MIDI PC messages will recall Hub scene presets. If connecting thusly, you’d need to use CCs if you wanted direct access to the pedals’ onboard presets. You’ll still need the DMC to send PC and CC messages (unless you have an alternative controller).

The midi to the SA pedals can be handled by the Hub via the TRRS cables. MIDI PC messages will recall Hub scene presets. If connecting thusly, you’d need to use CCs if you wanted direct access to the pedals’ onboard presets. You’ll still need the DMC to send PC and CC messages (unless you have an alternative controller).

Cheers Q. So I am now controlling my FI and SA pedals (Via Hub) with my shiny new MC6. I still have a Boss MS3 but would like to replace it with a Zoom pedal for Modulation, Reverb and delay as I dont use these that much. So need a Midi host hence the question about the micro.ghost. I cant find a UK retailer for them.

 

[Johno Dunn]

From a cursory read of the Le Bass website, it looks like you can use it to send PC and CC messages.

I know it’s probably early days but I’d highly recommend the Morningstar MC6 MKII as a MIDI controller. It’s fully customisable and can be as simple or as complex as you want it to be and it’s a breeze to program. It’s also small and runs off standard 9V power with a low draw.

So, would I need the Morning Star, and the Hub?

 

[Quatschmacher]

Cheers Q. So I am now controlling my FI and SA pedals (Via Hub) with my shiny new MC6. I still have a Boss MS3 but would like to replace it with a Zoom pedal for Modulation, Reverb and delay as I dont use these that much. So need a Midi host hence the question about the micro.ghost. I cant find a UK retailer for them.

Andertons have disaster area stuff listed, worth looking there.

 

[Quatschmacher]

So, would I need the Morning Star, and the Hub?

To control the Spectrum, yes.

I really wish the C4 had a 5-pin port.

 

[Johno Dunn]

To control the Spectrum, yes.

I really wish the C4 had a 5-pin port.

Or just keep the Micro? Will I be able to create "scenes" on the Morning Star?

 

[Quatschmacher]

Or just keep the Micro? Will I be able to create "scenes" on the Morning Star?

Scenes are created and saved on the Hub - it scans the connected SA pedals and remembers their settings, these get saved to the last-received PC message. You can therefore recall scenes with the micro.

The reason I suggest the MC6 is that it’s so customisable. You can use it to perform almost any midi-related task. It goes far beyond simply changing patches. You can use it to turn voices on and off in the spectrum, channel swap on the EQ2, really your imagination is the only limit.

 

[Johno Dunn]

Scenes are created and saved on the Hub - it scans the connected SA pedals and remembers their settings, these get saved to the last-received PC message. You can therefore recall scenes with the micro.

The reason I suggest the MC6 is that it’s so customisable. You can use it to perform almost any midi-related task. It goes far beyond simply changing patches. You can use it to turn voices on and off in the spectrum, channel swap on the EQ2, really your imagination is the only limit.

And it's easy to program?

 

[Quatschmacher]

And it's easy to program?

Incredibly easy. There’s a web-based editor, or stand-alone, or on the device itself. Check the videos on the Morningstar blog.

 

[Johno Dunn]

Incredibly easy. There’s a web-based editor, or stand-alone, or on the device itself. Check the videos on the Morningstar blog.

Thanks again for your help.

 

[sheeny]

Has anyone tried to control presets on the Source Audio C4 directly from one of the Morningstar TRS Midi outputs using a simple TRS to Micro USB cable?

 

[sunbeast]

Has anyone tried to control presets on the Source Audio C4 directly from one of the Morningstar TRS Midi outputs using a simple TRS to Micro USB cable?

From my understanding, the C4 needs a USB Host device to control it via the USB input, which requires more hardware than just a cable. The latest DMC MIDI controllers all have USB Host capabilities built in, or you will have to add a separate device with your Morningstar like the DMC Micro.Ghost or use a Source Audio Hub

 

[4Mal]

There is something reassuring in terms of interoperability with this rig. If something messes up, it's 1-800-dial Smith or Gibb ;-

well except for the Radial or the wireless I guess...

 

[Nighttrain1127]

Along the same lines of questions so If I wanted to use a hub to save scenes with the C-4 and or the Spectrum and get use of all the Preset Space I would need a hub for each pedal then and something to control them? Or am I totally off on this?

 

[sunbeast]

Along the same lines of questions so If I wanted to use a hub to save scenes with the C-4 and or the Spectrum and get use of all the Preset Space I would need a hub for each pedal then and something to control them? Or am I totally off on this?

No- the Hub connects to SA pedals using their proprietary interconnect jack on the top, and interfaces with multiple SA pedals at once. You will need some sort of MIDI controller to trigger the preset changes on the Hub though.

 

[SirTarquin]

The “ADSR” shapes have different preset values for A, D and S and the “speed” knob allows adjustment of either Attack, decay or attack-and-decay within a limited range. For example, the “swell” setting has a relatively long attack time.

A few of the settings have a slightly different sustain setting but most of them still end up being quite close to 0, with the effect that the filter cutoff always comes to rest close to or at the same point specified by the “frequency” knob.

I would have preferred independent knobs for A, D and S and still wonder if a “user” mode could be added (much like the modes in the sequencer where several are preset but one is fully adjustable) in which there are separate, independent controls for those three envelope stages. Or at the very least, a filter envelope sustain control.

You basically have to use your ears to hear how the shapes differ. There is a bit of overlap between shapes on one or more stages.

If I recall correctly, @rsmith601 posted a table that Bob Chidlaw had put together which showed the various values and ranges for the different envelope settings. It was posted either here or in the C4 thread (possibly here or on the Gear Page). Perhaps he’d be able to link to it or repost it for your benefit.

Independent knobs for attack and decay on the Spectrum would truly cause it to become the ultimate envelope filter pedal. It’s the main feature I have always wanted on an envelope filter. (I know this was referring to the C4, I just figured I’d included the Spectrum with it since it’s got the same filters and envelopes)

The chart in question is in this same thread here: Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3. I’ve saved the page in case I ever needed to reference it.

 

[Nighttrain1127]

Yes I get that but the hub can only handle so many scenes and the pedals can each do 128 or something like that. So how would the hub and a controller handle all that. Just between those two is 256 presets and with an EQ2 or any other of the one series pedals available or in the future can the hub handle all that?

 

[Quatschmacher]

Yes I get that but the hub can only handle so many scenes and the pedals can each do 128 or something like that. So how would the hub and a controller handle all that. Just between those two is 256 presets and with an EQ2 or any other of the one series pedals available or in the future can the hub handle all that?

The Hub reads the settings of all connected pedals and stores those settings as a preset in its own memory. It has 128 presets.

The Hub presets have nothing to do with the onboard presets of the pedals such as EQ2, C4, Collider, etc, per se. However, you could use a controller to call up an onboard presets on any of those pedals via CC commands and then store those settings separately as part of a Hub scene.

 

[Nighttrain1127]

Ok So I was looking at this the wrong way then .