I'm a little late to the party and still kinda wrapping my head around what/everything this pedal can do, but I've tinkered with morphing a little bit, and in conjunction with an expression pedal. Seems like quite a (groundbreaking?) feature!
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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3
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I'm a little late to the party and still kinda wrapping my head around what/everything this pedal can do, but I've tinkered with morphing a little bit, and in conjunction with an expression pedal. Seems like quite a (groundbreaking?) feature!
5sg.
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I shared a couple of fairly subtle envelope morphing patches a week or so ago but I need to go more in depth.
Looking forwards to the new updates.
My GMC Mastotron III patch morphs between 7 (Diode Harder Gate) and 3 Basic Offset Distortion types. The Multiband and levels are the same, but I have two different EQ's that are morphing too. MorphCh 1 is assigned to Remote expression (over midi), it works very well. I also dial in Compressor gain to the expression over midi Control Source so I can also change the compressor settings as I morph. I've dialled the LFO depth to 0 and the Env>Morph to be fully morph so it's pure distortion. The Band Splitting is 1 - no split. So it's just using the a simple distortion engine and it's not show casing the Multiwave elements.
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Wait, there is a bass version? I was wondering why the cloud preset library had that option. I assumed it was the same device, just a sub-category of presets. Is the beta version the bass version? I don't recall anything about a bass version on the SA website.
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I've done some morphing with some of my presets. Mostly subtle, I think. Not as dramatic and as easy to tell as with the expression pedal doing the morphing as on the MWBDP. Looking forward to the new videos, and to more play time. Had a project the past 2 weekends, but a few things to take care of, then the weekend shall be free for experimentation.
One area that's missing with the current docs is the Morphing and how it exactly works. It made me laugh on your Youtube Vid talking about the Ultrawave's editor where your commentator says "That's the Morphing Controls....more about that later" and then doesn't come back to it!
I think it's easy to get confused about what is being morphed. It's easy to assume that it's a Ch1 > Ch2 fader. But it's not, it's a morphing between 2 engines on each Channel. The block chart helps explain it in overview. The important thing here is to dial out or in the Env > Morph knob to taste. That's easy to miss and it can lead to confusion and overwhelming...what's going on here...type Questions.
Combined with the three external source controls mapped to an expression pedal, I can create a patch that adjusts compression, morph from one sound to a totally different sound via the expression pedal. It's a "control freak's heaven".
I don't think you can morph between different band splits. If I wanted to create a standard light overdrive sound that morphs into an crazy Multwave warble madness, I'd have to do that with splitting the 2 channels and mixing between them....but it can be done.
I'm also seeing that the Morph control doesn't ever seem to actually go to fully 0. If I dial it to 0 and then click the morph button, I can hear a dollop of the morphed signal still interacting. So I think there needs to be a clear explanation of these morph controls as there is something going on that's not intuitive.
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That's cool.. so I should expect the bass version to hold up when I plug in a strat too then. that's good. Thanks for the answer.
So the only difference between the bass and guitar version si the mix vs sustain control? I believe I can remap the control knobs on the pedal in the neuro app. Can I remap sustain to mix too?
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As I said above, cosmetic difference and factory presets only, all knobs are fully assignable per preset.
Hello Source Audio people, hope I'm not asking too silly a question . . .
I can't seem to find any images or videos on the information superhighway of people scrolling through C4 patches on their phone. For C4 users, how easy is it to switch patches using your phone/tablet? I'm looking for an interface relatively similar to just scrolling through files. Would rather do this than set up a midi pedal.
I actually have gigs (fingers, toes, and eyes crossed) starting in June, and if I can use the C4 this way, I could WAY simplify my load-in/setup/load-out.
I can't seem to find any images or videos on the information superhighway of people scrolling through C4 patches on their phone. For C4 users, how easy is it to switch patches using your phone/tablet? I'm looking for an interface relatively similar to just scrolling through files. Would rather do this than set up a midi pedal.
I actually have gigs (fingers, toes, and eyes crossed) starting in June, and if I can use the C4 this way, I could WAY simplify my load-in/setup/load-out.
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TouchOSC works well for this kind of thing. You can set up any interface you like, simple or complex.
Or you could use the Neuro app.
I don’t know that I’d personally want to rely on the Neuro app, as convenient as it is (though it may be solid for just recalling presets you already have saved on the pedal). I’ve had my app freeze up a few times, which is not something I’d want to deal with live at all. It does work for this purpose though, assuming you’ve saved all your presets with names (easiest on the desktop app) they will be accessible in a list in the Neuro app.
I like @Quatschmacher ’s suggestion of using a MIDI app on your phone/tablet as a controller to call up presets that you already have saved on your C4 pedal (though I haven’t tried this, a few other people on here do this successfully). I assume you will need to do a fair amount of programming in such an app too though (including labeling of presets, etc).
At @fivestringgecko 's suggestion I snagged MidiPad for my iPad from the apple app store. Got a camera kit for it. Haven't had time to do much with it but the midi programming aspect was straight forward. Basically you drop buttons on a page, label them and assign midi commands. Your tablet, phone, etc ends up looking a bit like an Ableton trigger setup. There may be other UI features I have overlooked that could get you something different.
I may end up using midipad as a lighting scene switcher so I can move my lighting controller into the backline.
I may end up using midipad as a lighting scene switcher so I can move my lighting controller into the backline.
Oooooh that's a cool idea, using a phone-based midi app. Are there any Linux-based solutions for that? I'm on an Android POS right now (so probably stick to Neuro for now) and want to either do a Librem 5 or Pine Phone for my next hand-held mind control device.
And yeah, with the C4, I would be doing absolutely every patch from scratch, named, and ordered properly. I have a lot of experience with soft-synth sound design, so I'd be all-in hands on from the start.
And yeah, with the C4, I would be doing absolutely every patch from scratch, named, and ordered properly. I have a lot of experience with soft-synth sound design, so I'd be all-in hands on from the start.
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TouchOSC is dead easy to set up. I made a simple screen that had 128 buttons for my Hub presets when I first got my Manta way back when. I shared it here too. It could easily be adapted as it's just sending PC messages.
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I'm biased but I would also recommend MIDI Designer.
Biased because I have done beta testing for them and I might be considered a "power user."
Biased because I have done beta testing for them and I might be considered a "power user."
I just got done watching a video of someone using bluetooth to control their source audio pedals running through input 2 of each pedal.
Can't remember exactly what he use to convert the bluetooth signal to a 1/4th connection.. but if I didn't have a midi controller and a laptop that sounds like a decent way to sort things out.
It's like the one application where latency over bluetooth shouldn't be an issue since you're only using it to change and edit presets.
