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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

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Can experienced people tell me more about the Ultrawave (yes, I did a search, but there's nearly 700 pages of posts here)? I'm looking for something to use live that can kill a couple of birds with one stone. I don't like scrolling through presets on stage, want to be able to hit a switch and have the effect on or off, and would rather not be bringing a big board (half a dozen stompboxes is plenty for me on a gig).

Playing in a dance-oriented band that has, among other things, Sledgehammer and Thriller on the play list, so looking for something that can give blends of octave, fuzz and envelope filter to get the tones for those songs. The impression I'm getting from youtube videos is that the Ultrawave can do all of those in presets and load them in the pedal, and (am I understanding this right?) the switch with the polygons on the middle lets you manually go from one to the other without needing to access menus and software.

Would just like some confirmation that it will do this before I pull the trigger, or maybe point me towards a better solution.
 
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hrodbert696 said:
Can experienced people tell me more about the Ultrawave (yes, I did a search, but there's nearly 700 pages of posts here)? I'm looking for something to use live that can kill a couple of birds with one stone. I don't like scrolling through presets on stage, want to be able to hit a switch and have the effect on or off, and would rather not be bringing a big board (half a dozen stompboxes is plenty for me on a gig).

Playing in a dance-oriented band that has, among other things, Sledgehammer and Thriller on the play list, so looking for something that can give blends of octave, fuzz and envelope filter to get the tones for those songs. The impression I'm getting from youtube videos is that the Ultrawave can do all of those in presets and load them in the pedal, and (am I understanding this right?) the switch with the polygons on the middle lets you manually go from one to the other without needing to access menus and software.

Would just like some confirmation that it will do this before I pull the trigger, or maybe point me towards a better solution.
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The Ultrawave is for Dirt, compression and Trems. The Spectrum is for octaves and Filters and the C4 for Octaves, filters and synths. Without a midi controller and hub. You have 6 easily accessible presets on each device and 4 knobs to play with. Most have extended functions for the knobs with a push of a wee button on the back. Both the Ultrawave, Spectrum and C4 have assignable knobs. For live use, it's a game of pre-setting up your 6 patches and choosing what your control knobs are going to do.
I have all three and love them all. Seriously cool cat kit.
 
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hrodbert696 said:
Can experienced people tell me more about the Ultrawave (yes, I did a search, but there's nearly 700 pages of posts here)? I'm looking for something to use live that can kill a couple of birds with one stone. I don't like scrolling through presets on stage, want to be able to hit a switch and have the effect on or off, and would rather not be bringing a big board (half a dozen stompboxes is plenty for me on a gig).

Playing in a dance-oriented band that has, among other things, Sledgehammer and Thriller on the play list, so looking for something that can give blends of octave, fuzz and envelope filter to get the tones for those songs. The impression I'm getting from youtube videos is that the Ultrawave can do all of those in presets and load them in the pedal, and (am I understanding this right?) the switch with the polygons on the middle lets you manually go from one to the other without needing to access menus and software.

Would just like some confirmation that it will do this before I pull the trigger, or maybe point me towards a better solution.
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I use the UltraWave as a A multi-wave fuzz/dirtbox (so I can really fine tune the sounds) but also the EQ and Comp to kind of set a bit of a Brickwall Limiter just in case I have a few presets for my C4 or Spectrum that are at different volumes.

The C4 and spectrum are on my board for multiUse cases as well. The C4 is my pitch/octave/synth but I also have a few Spectrum presets on the C4 as well.
Spectrum I use as an Envelope/Phase depending on the level of funk I’m going for.

every box has their own loaded presets and then to call them up I use CC message 104 with the value being the preset I want to have on (minus 1 to align with the midi preset numbers which start at 0 instead of 1)

but for this i needed to acquire a few other bits of gear:

1- Neuro Hub (there might be other options out there but this was the easiest way to get all my OneSeries pedals talking to each other.

2- midi Footswitch. I went with the MorningStar MC8. It sends the PC and CC messages I want it to send, the way I want to send them. At the time I didn’t want a specific loop switcher that I had to plug all my cables into like a Boss ES or a GigRig. And this suited my needs.

the ML10x adds the loop switching functionality to the rig, so as soon as I can get my hands on one I probably will. With the versatility of the SA pedals I have it set up so that if I want to switch a pedal around I can engage presets on certain pedals to satisfy that urge (within reason). But there are expensive switcher options out there and smaller ones too the MC8 just works for me and makes sense when I’m trying to wrap my head around midi.
 
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hrodbert696 said:
Can experienced people
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Disclaimer...that's not really me, except I have and use any pedals I mention

hrodbert696 said:
Playing in a dance-oriented band that has, among other things, Sledgehammer and Thriller on the play list
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I would have thought those could be covered by a C4 and an Atlas (I wish SA would have released the Atlas a year ago, would have saved my buying a whole stack of other comps)
 
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willddd said:
Disclaimer...that's not really me, except I have and use any pedals I mention


I would have thought those could be covered by a C4 and an Atlas (I wish SA would have released the Atlas a year ago, would have saved my buying a whole stack of other comps)
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Anyone know how the comps compare between the ultrawave and the Atlas? I have the ultrawave already. Would getting an Altlas be redundant?
 
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Rick Penrose said:
Anyone know how the comps compare between the ultrawave and the Atlas? I have the ultrawave already. Would getting an Altlas be redundant?
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I don't know, but I nearly bought an ultrawave just for the compressor. The way i'm using the Atlas (as an always on, slightly editor modified setting), the ultrawave would probably have done the job just as well. I like that fact that the Atlas has so many options and dialled in presets to investigate for sanity/options checking, but so far I've always gone back to my standard setting. I could probably have done that with the ultrawave.
Edit.. I have an ultrashock for dirt which I really like, so dirt doesn't factor into it for me.
 
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Rick Penrose said:
Anyone know how the comps compare between the ultrawave and the Atlas? I have the ultrawave already. Would getting an Altlas be redundant?
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The Atlas is much easier to use as a compressor, and has many different compressor models to make it sound like other popular compressors. I think it’s definitely an improvement over the Ultrawave compressor.
 
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Rick Penrose said:
Anyone know how the comps compare between the ultrawave and the Atlas? I have the ultrawave already. Would getting an Altlas be redundant?
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I have both and use both quite heavily. The Utrawave has a lot of features including A fully featured stereo compressor. It's literally got a 6 knob compressor and is easily on par with anything out there in terms of compression control. However, the Atlas is this and more. It's got models of lots of different compressors. So it's like having a box full of LOTs of different fully featured stereo compressors.
 
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GMC said:
I have both and use both quite heavily. The Utrawave has a lot of features including A fully featured stereo compressor. It's literally got a 6 knob compressor and is easily on par with anything out there in terms of compression control. However, the Atlas is this and more. It's got models of lots of different compressors. So it's like having a box full of LOTs of different fully featured stereo compressors.
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thanks all. I am getting into the SA world and I am trying to sort through their pedal offerings. Bought a Spectrum....probably should have gotten the C4...bought an Ultrawave...this pedal is a real head scratcher....probably should get the Altlas....Lots of overlaps which is confusing
 
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After adding the Collider, I can now get kicked out of any band I want to with this setup. :roflmao: :roflmao:

Seriously though.. outer space, beyond and then some. Some of the soundscapes I'm creating with the combinations of these pedals is blowing me away. Nothing of that sort in a band context yet, but the Atlas is always on for everything live. One of the best pedal purchases ive made in a long time, the Atlas is worth every penny..

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@hrodbert696 If you’re after a few specific Thriller etc sounds then a C4 would be a good starting point. On it’s own you’d get 6 presets available at your feet. TBH for casual use you can get decent Muff etc drives out of it, the octave tracking is really good and there’s loads of synth options. And of you can download examples from the community and tweak away.

Then if you find things are still lacking, add Atlas etc to suit.

When you reach two SA pedals and you want to address them via midi and really open them up, add a Neuro hub and a Morningstar controller. That’s when it gets expensive, but soooo worth it!
 
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Hey all! I have a DMC.micro that I've been using to make scenes for my SA pedals and another one. It's been ok, but I'm curious about a few other controllers out there. My chief frustration is attempting to add a new preset between two existing ones. Like I'm at rehearsal before a thing and have P10 for a song and P11 for the next song, but then I have a great idea for a P10a. But there's no way to do that from mobile, and no way (that I know of) to copy/paste presets anyway.
Does anyone have experience with a morningstar or soleman? Can they easily do what I describe? Or any other suggestions out there?
 
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jam.majors said:
Hey all! I have a DMC.micro that I've been using to make scenes for my SA pedals and another one. It's been ok, but I'm curious about a few other controllers out there. My chief frustration is attempting to add a new preset between two existing ones. Like I'm at rehearsal before a thing and have P10 for a song and P11 for the next song, but then I have a great idea for a P10a. But there's no way to do that from mobile, and no way (that I know of) to copy/paste presets anyway.
Does anyone have experience with a morningstar or soleman? Can they easily do what I describe? Or any other suggestions out there?
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Morningstar editors are available in mobile form and copying/moving presets is a doddle.

That being said, the ability to easily do what you’re asking depends very much on how you are recalling/using your presets. Are you simply using a scrolling list of PC numbers via an up/down button on the controller which recalls a preset on a Source Audio pedal or Hub scene? If so, inserting your new preset needs to be done on the pedal or the Hub.

If your presets parameters are being recalled via an individual button specifying a particular PC number or set of CC commands for each preset then adding new ones on the controller is easy.
 
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