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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

our boards have a lot in common. Though I’d say that’s probably the first time I’ve seen a ventris into a nemesis and not the other way around.
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Ooops. I wasn't paying attention when I was patching everything together this morning. I've got the Ventris and Nemesis in the loop of the HX.

But yeah, I'm jealous of that reflex... \

And, I'm interested why the Nemesis, Ventris and Collider. I specifically got both instead of the Collider.
 
Ooops. I wasn't paying attention when I was patching everything together this morning. I've got the Ventris and Nemesis in the loop of the HX.

But yeah, I'm jealous of that reflex... \

And, I'm interested why the Nemesis, Ventris and Collider. I specifically got both instead of the Collider.

I play guitar actually, and in a church band, so typically, I run the collider for my far out wacky delay/reverb sounds, and then switch to nemtris for more standard delay/reverbs. Sometimes the roles are switched. Just easier to have multiple delay/reverbs sounds without changing presets on the pedals themselves, so I retain my trails easier within a scene/song. Then switch scenes at the end of the song.
 
My SA Atlas Compressor is doing weird things and I'm hoping someone knows what is happening. I set the threshold and ratio how I like with the LED indicator just barely coming on. Then, 10 seconds later, it sounds like the threshold changes and the LED light no longer comes on. I tried different presets and it is not specific to just one. Any ideas?
The LED will only show the signal for a limited time after adjusting the threshold unless you set it to be permanently on in the global menu.

You will need to save any changes you make to the preset, otherwise they’ll be reset to the stored values when switching to a new preset.

Are you giving the pedal enough mA? Starving the pedal of current can do weird stuff. A danger if you’re daisy-chaining pedals off a single supply or outlet.
 
The LED will only show the signal for a limited time after adjusting the threshold unless you set it to be permanently on in the global menu.

You will need to save any changes you make to the preset, otherwise they’ll be reset to the stored values when switching to a new preset.

Are you giving the pedal enough mA? Starving the pedal of current can do weird stuff. A danger if you’re daisy-chaining pedals off a single supply or outlet.
That makes sense - maybe watching the led indicator is making me perceive a change.
 
Hi all!

I'm a happy C4 owner, have been running it to good effect for a couple of years. But I've actually got a question about the Aftershock, as a bassist friend of mine is interested, and searches for the exact answer have been shockingly, no pun intended, elusive.

Does the Aftershock HAVE to interface with the Hub or new MIDI adapter to have preset switching functionality?

I run a DMC-3XL to my C4 via USB MIDI, and don't need to do anything complicated, just switch presets. Is this possible with the Aftershock as well? Like if my friend had a DMC.micro and USB-mini to USB-mini cable, would that suffice?

I'm planning to help familiarize them with the Neuro Desktop app for preset config, so that's taken care of.

Thanks in advance!
 
Hi all!

I'm a happy C4 owner, have been running it to good effect for a couple of years. But I've actually got a question about the Aftershock, as a bassist friend of mine is interested, and searches for the exact answer have been shockingly, no pun intended, elusive.

Does the Aftershock HAVE to interface with the Hub or new MIDI adapter to have preset switching functionality?

I run a DMC-3XL to my C4 via USB MIDI, and don't need to do anything complicated, just switch presets. Is this possible with the Aftershock as well? Like if my friend had a DMC.micro and USB-mini to USB-mini cable, would that suffice?

I'm planning to help familiarize them with the Neuro Desktop app for preset config, so that's taken care of.

Thanks in advance!
As far as I recall, midi over usb is not possible with the Aftershock. So either the Neuro hub or the Midi adapter. I use the hub with a dmc micro.pro for switching. Note that with the Midi adapter only the 6 presets internal to the Aftershock would be available. With the hub, you can include it in up to 128 scenes.
 
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As far as I recall, midi over usb is not possible with the Aftershock. So either the Neuro hub or the Midi adapter. I use the hub with a dmc micro.pro for switching. Note that with the Midi adapter only the 6 presets internal to the Aftershock would be available. With the hub, you can include it in up to 128 scenes.

I thought all One Series pedals had midi over USB…?

@Real Soon you don’t use a USB host cable out from your DMC.Micro? You just do mini-USB to mini-USB?
 
This might be old news to some of you, but this week I discovered how to switch presets on the C4 using a 1/8" to 1/4" trrs cable plugged into the multi-jack of the DMC.micro pro. This freed up the usb on the C4 to connect to the Neuro desktop editor, so I could see my patches while still flipping presets with the DMC.micro. The Disaster Area Designs team was super helpful answering my questions to figure this out. Excellent customer service.
 
Hi all!

I'm a happy C4 owner, have been running it to good effect for a couple of years. But I've actually got a question about the Aftershock, as a bassist friend of mine is interested, and searches for the exact answer have been shockingly, no pun intended, elusive.

Does the Aftershock HAVE to interface with the Hub or new MIDI adapter to have preset switching functionality?

I run a DMC-3XL to my C4 via USB MIDI, and don't need to do anything complicated, just switch presets. Is this possible with the Aftershock as well? Like if my friend had a DMC.micro and USB-mini to USB-mini cable, would that suffice?

I'm planning to help familiarize them with the Neuro Desktop app for preset config, so that's taken care of.

Thanks in advance!

dmc micro using the “SOne” device format and the multi jack set to midi ring should work with aftershock (might be midi tip, but can’t recall right now) plugged into the control input port on the back with the included neuro cable (it’s just a trs 1/4” to 1/8” adapter). The dmc was the first device to be able to recall presets on the older pedals through some partnering between us and disaster area, this led to the midi adapter so that non DA users could do this as well. Midi usb works with the aftershock, but I don’t think it will allow preset selection like the multi jack will.
 
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Oh wow so the C4 connects to the DMC with just a mini-USB to mini-USB? Is it mini-B USB? Just to reiterate lol
As mentioned in the two posts above yours- if you have a DMC gen3 controller with a 1/4" multi-jack then you don't even need USB, you can connect a 1/4" to 1/8" cable into the C4 (IME this is a far more robust/reliable connection than the USB). But yes to your question about USB Mini B cable, however I have found that not all USB Mini-Mini cables work for this purpose
 
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Hi all!

I'm a happy C4 owner, have been running it to good effect for a couple of years. But I've actually got a question about the Aftershock, as a bassist friend of mine is interested, and searches for the exact answer have been shockingly, no pun intended, elusive.

Does the Aftershock HAVE to interface with the Hub or new MIDI adapter to have preset switching functionality?

I run a DMC-3XL to my C4 via USB MIDI, and don't need to do anything complicated, just switch presets. Is this possible with the Aftershock as well? Like if my friend had a DMC.micro and USB-mini to USB-mini cable, would that suffice?

I'm planning to help familiarize them with the Neuro Desktop app for preset config, so that's taken care of.

Thanks in advance!
Unfortunately, aftershock will not hold multiple presets like the C4. I think it is limited to three. I use the neuro hub mostly to save additional presets for it like I would on the internal memory of the C4. Their modulation pedals are the same as the aftershock in that regard. I am not certain why they did not “upgrade“ those pedals to have the memory, that the C4 and spectrum and ultra wave have.
 
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As mentioned in the two posts above yours- if you have a DMC gen3 controller with a 1/4" multi-jack then you don't even need USB, you can connect a 1/4" to 1/8" cable into the C4 (IME this is a far more robust/reliable connection than the USB). But yes to your question about USB Mini B cable, however I have found that not all USB Mini-Mini cables work for this purpose
I don't have a DMC yet; I've just been researching controllers for my C4. I was hoping to use the multi-jack for an expression pedal. So if USB cables are a crapshoot, would it be better to get either the ghost adapter or SA's adapter?
 
I don't have a DMC yet; I've just been researching controllers for my C4. I was hoping to use the multi-jack for an expression pedal. So if USB cables are a crapshoot, would it be better to get either the ghost adapter or SA's adapter?
Ghost adaptor is a USB solution that DMC makes for use with other controllers (it turns a standard Midi controller output into a "USB Host" like a computer, which is what the C4 needs to see for USB control), so it is just a USB Mini solution that serves no use with a DMC controller that already has USB Host built-in. You can get a DMC controller (like the DMC-3XL) that has multiple 1/4" jacks so you can have both MIDI expression and control of the C4 without USB, and the bonus is that you also get a 3rd footswitch. Then again plenty of people use USB for controlling the C4 without issue- I was just stating my experience/preference (I find even angled Mini USB connections to not be sufficiently robust for a pedal that I am often swapping between boards- might be different if I was leaving the pedal and cable stationary on a fixed board though). If you do choose to use USB to control your C4, I highly recommend a USB A to Mini adaptor on either one or both ends so that you can unplug from the controller without removing the jack from the pedal when you need to attach the C4 or DMC USB to your computer for editing purposes. I have personally broken a few USB Mini cables AND a few circuit-board connections on different devices from plugging/unplugging or from other impact (I actually broke a Mini USB cable end from my C4 while it was traveling in my pedalboard case from some sort of impact, granted I had the cable routed fairly tightly on the board- just glad it broke the cable rather than the USB jack of the pedal).

The new SA adaptor avoids USB connection by taking MIDI on one end and 1/8" on the C4 end and can be hidden nicely under a pedalboard. I currently control my C4 using a Morningstar MC6 paired with the new SA adaptor. The newer MC6 Pro has USB Host control, but because of my preference to avoid USB I'll probably stick with the adaptor even if I do upgrade controllers from the MC6 to MC6 Pro.
 
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Yeah the Aftershock can't switch presets like that. You have the physically select what you want that's only 6 slot or 128 variations of the 6 if using a controller. If your looking to be able to switch presets maybe the ultrawave would the way you want. I agree I don't the way the don't update the software. Granted it may be a memory thing, but still I think a V2 of the Lunar and Aftershock are in order.
 
Wow, thank you @sunbeast for the detailed reply!

It's weird. I'm so confused by MIDI when it relates to pedals, but have no problem with synths, controllers, and a computer. But that's all DIN MIDI.
Unfortunately with pedals the regular inclusion of MIDI control is a pretty new thing and seems to lack the same kind of standardization that more often exists with other music gear which is definitely frustrating. We are seeing the real-time development of this technology unfold in both pedals and pedalboard controllers as we speak (3+ decades after it became an expected inclusion in the synth world!). I have several MIDI pedals on my board from different manufacturers and most of them require slightly if not greatly different protocols and considerations when hooking up and programming. Fortunately companies like DMC and Morningstar (and hopefully soon, Mortrix) invest considerable work to keep up to date and compatible with as many of the different setups as possible with their pedalboard controllers
 

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