Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[joshofbass]

Day 1 with Neuro 3 on PC... my Aftershock instantly erased its presets, and the Atlas sounds like this no matter what I do. The onscreen menus still reflect the settings if I change the preset switch, but just this noise at/right below unity gain whenever the pedal is on. C4 is working fine.

Thank you for reminding me to back up on Neuro 2 first

 

[rsmith601]

Android. I'm running AdGuard Home which says that it's blocking the tracker Firebase.

This just sent to me by the development team. If you can check, that would be awesome!
Did he use the latest build? Last desktop (3.0.10) and mobile (3.5.1) contain some workarounds for cases when app metrics tracker blocked.

 

[rsmith601]

"the app metrics tracking"
That's a show stopper for me right there. I didn't see any disclosure that this application is doing any sort of tracking. I use the desktop version of Neuro but I do all my internet filtering at the browser level so Neuro doesn't go through any of that.

If tracking is a part of the app, there should be an option to opt in. Not everyone cares to share their data, no matter what the use is for the app owner.

This is a valid concern and I need to address it.

Since I am the one who uses this data, I will tell you exactly what we use it for. We have been tracking this stuff since the first serious website Source Audio created.

Neuro is an insane level of expense that none of our competitors are making. It is vital for us to understand how it is being used so that we know what works effectively and what does not. We cannot be spending this money blindly. There must be some way to determine if its effective or not. I have absolutely no interest in tracking info to sell to others. We make apps to sell pedals. That is the point. Other companies don't sell anything other than information about users (Facebook, Instagram, Google, etc.). We sell pedals and want our app to make all of you like our pedals and the experience more than what you can get from our competition. Hope that makes sense!

 

[_Tay_]

This is a valid concern and I need to address it.

Since I am the one who uses this data, I will tell you exactly what we use it for. We have been tracking this stuff since the first serious website Source Audio created.

Neuro is an insane level of expense that none of our competitors are making. It is vital for us to understand how it is being used so that we know what works effectively and what does not. We cannot be spending this money blindly. There must be some way to determine if its effective or not. I have absolutely no interest in tracking info to sell to others. We make apps to sell pedals. That is the point. Other companies don't sell anything other than information about users (Facebook, Instagram, Google, etc.). We sell pedals and want our app to make all of you like our pedals and the experience more than what you can get from our competition. Hope that makes sense!

How soon until we get a peek of this new red pedal

 

[Quatschmacher]

How soon until we get a peek of this new red pedal

4 hours and 35 minutes.

 

[Luke the Fluke]

This is a valid concern and I need to address it.

Since I am the one who uses this data, I will tell you exactly what we use it for. We have been tracking this stuff since the first serious website Source Audio created.

Neuro is an insane level of expense that none of our competitors are making. It is vital for us to understand how it is being used so that we know what works effectively and what does not. We cannot be spending this money blindly. There must be some way to determine if it’s effective or not. I have absolutely no interest in tracking info to sell to others. We make apps to sell pedals. That is the point. Other companies don't sell anything other than information about users (Facebook, Instagram, Google, etc.). We sell pedals and want our app to make all of you like our pedals and the experience more than what you can get from our competition. Hope that makes sense!

makes total sense - it’s the best way to have an ongoing UX refinement process in a low cost way.

 

[Rick Penrose]

This just sent to me by the development team. If you can check, that would be awesome!
Did he use the latest build? Last desktop (3.0.10) and mobile (3.5.1) contain some workarounds for cases when app metrics tracker blocked.

Where do you find the version number for the neuro software?

 

[Quatschmacher]

Where do you find the version number for the neuro software?

In Neuro 3 it in the little bit with your profile picture.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I think the new pedal might be the best thing they’ve done.

I can’t amend the post now. I wanted to say further: this is also coming from someone who loves the C4 very much. (I ordered that pedal as soon as it was announced and spent a lot of time getting right inside it.)

One thing I really like about the new pedal is the level of hands-on control, which, for me, recaptures the immediacy of the Soundblox 2 series; I loved those and the Manta is what got me into Source Audio pedals in the first place. With the move to One Series, lots of deeper possibilities opened up via the editor software, but at the expense of a loss of some of the immediacy and stand-alone nature of the SB2 series. This new pedal is a kind of marriage between the two ways of interacting: there’s all the depth and tweakability of the One Series pedals, but you can set up or use a few presets (hell, even just a single preset) that have so much variation possible via the panel controls alone that you’d never need to dig into the editor if you didn’t want to. However, if you do want to explore, there’s a whole universe of sound in there, and this pedal invites exploration.

There are some ideas in this pedal that I would love to see make it into an update/revision of C4. You’ll see what I mean for yourselves in a few hours.

 

[aguacateojos]

Happy New Source Audio Pedal Day y'all!

 

[OneNut]

This just sent to me by the development team. If you can check, that would be awesome!
Did he use the latest build? Last desktop (3.0.10) and mobile (3.5.1) contain some workarounds for cases when app metrics tracker blocked.

When I was having the issue yesterday, the play store was giving me 3.5.0. Woke up this morning to having 3.5.1 installed and it is now working. Thanks for checking.

 

[rsmith601]

When I was having the issue yesterday, the play store was giving me 3.5.0. Woke up this morning to having 3.5.1 installed and it is now working. Thanks for checking.

So happy to hear this!!! Thank you for checking.

 

[gregmon79]

Neuro hub in a pedal??

 

[gregmon79]

Is this a thing where the Whirlwind's Q varies based on the frequency?

The short answer is that the EQ2 requires you to set the bandwidth (Q) for each band, and adjust it based on what frequency you are at. You can set this up they way you like it for all 10 bands, then save this preset as your starting-point/default.

I think if you wanted to mimic this behavior using an external controller, perhaps you could assign frequency to a controller, and also assign bandwidth to the same controller-- so as the frequency goes lower, the bandwidth widens.

But if you are just talking about static EQ (and not things you want to adjust a bunch in realtime, you could set the bandwidths for the 10 bands based on their general frequency, and if you want to move to a higher frequency just choose a different band.

If you're wanting to set up realtime control via expression (one of the cool things you can do with the EQ2), then you can really dial things with the ranges & values you like.

On so that answered question. Thank you. Hopefully I’ll be able to find the right Q’s for each band. May need to do some further research on the whirlwind. To my understanding the whirlwind adjusts its Q itself depending on where your band is set. I’ll have to see if I can find out where my Q’s go where I have my bands set.

Regardless, I’ll probably be getting an EQ2 because you’re able to do this. I’m redoing my board this weekend and I’m thinking of going back to my bigger board so I can fit my whammy back on and possibly my JC wah. So I’ll need all the space I can get.

 

[OneNut]

I may be missing something, but did the Ultrawave get "dumbed down" with Neuro 3?

I don't have one, but it is under consideration and I recall that there was more settings in the older version of the Neuro app. I just found an old video for the Ultrawave/Neuro desktop and you used to be able to set the drive level per band but that seems to not be possible in the new version of the app.

So I've now checked the desktop editor as well (v3.0.10 desktop, v3.5.1 android) and it does appear that adjusting the multiband drive is gone.

Screen cap of old video showing the function:

And the same thing from the desktop editor now:

The level is there, but not the drive per band. The old one is actually easier to understand as well as the sliders greyed out for the inactive bands.

Any comments @rsmith601?

 

[rsmith601]

So I've now checked the desktop editor as well (v3.0.10 desktop, v3.5.1 android) and it does appear that adjusting the multiband drive is gone.

Screen cap of old video showing the function:
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And the same thing from the desktop editor now:
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The level is there, but not the drive per band. The old one is actually easier to understand as well as the sliders greyed out for the inactive bands.

Any comments @rsmith601?

That needs to be fixed. People wanted scaling. People wanted consistency between platforms. This required reworking all the editors for each pedal. A huge task. So much to do and so much to check! This was missed.

 

[MascisMan]

He is wearing a Nemesis Delay shirt. I'm hoping it's a compact Collider, or a True Spring with Delay options instead of Tremolo.

Honestly I wish they would release a super pedal that could load the firmware of any of their pedals and could change from being a C4 to a Nemesis to a Lunar to Aftershock to UltraWave.

Im guessing some sort of a dual tape delay.

1. Strawberries and Cherries in delay patterns (Dual)
2. Nemesis Delay T-Shirt
3. Picture of Roger staring at cassette tapes

Or possibly some sort of reel/tape saturation with timing/warble effects (and possibly a looper).

 

[aguacateojos]

It's 9:02 - do you know where your pedal is?

 

[warptheory]

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Interesting...

FEATURES AND SPECIFICATIONS

• 7 different effect engines on the face of the pedal: Radio, Tape, µVerb, Crush, Ladder, Vinyl and Glitch.
• 16 presets accessible via the pedal controls (128 presets available via MIDI).
  
• Dual footswitches that engage/ bypass, scroll presets, and perform a variety of other engine specific functions.
• Deep sound editing capabilities with Neuro 3, Source Audio’s free effects editing and preset downloading software.
• Download sounds from Source Audio’s growing library of over 10,000 factory and Neuro Community presets.
• Full MIDI control via the 3.5mm TRS MIDI In and Thru jacks.
  
• USB-C port for connecting to Neuro 3.0, Source Audio’s preset downloading and effect editing software.
• Stereo Inputs and Outputs
  
• External expression control
  
• Choose from Active Analog or True Bypass
• Brushed anodized aluminum housing
  
• Includes 9v DC power supply - 300mA / Negative tip
  
• Power consumption: 200mA (1.8 watts.)
  
• Includes USB-C to USB-A cable
  
• Pedal Dimensions: L: 4.5 in./11.4 cm. x W: 2.75 in./7 cm. x H: 2 in./5.1 cm. (including knobs)
• ·Pedal Weight: 1 lb./0.45 kg.

All hail the move to USB-C!!

 

[OneNut]

That needs to be fixed. People wanted scaling. People wanted consistency between platforms. This required reworking all the editors for each pedal. A huge task. So much to do and so much to check! This was missed.

As I work in IT for my day job, I can appreciate the amount of work it takes to re-code an entire platform. You really do have some cool stuff and the fact that it's stereo (or dual mono) opens up so many cool options. Thanks