When these basses were produced there was no law or rule of what could or would go on an instrument. You could only say made in the USA if it was.
I'd agree. And there are reasons why these laws eventually came into existence. Not saying that is because of Kramer... but across multiple industries the lines were blurred and of course as import/export laws became more complex with the advent of NAFTA and other trade agreements.
This doesn't say made in the US, and I know for a fact that all Korean made Kramers and Spectors came with a small sticker on the neck that said, "Made in Korea."
No. You are correct. The issue was that many of the former Kramer owners I spoke to didn't know the difference. They didn't know that because the neck plate had the Kramer/Neptune NJ plate that it WASN'T made in the USA. And many dealers took the stickers off. Now was that Kramer's fault? The dealers fault? The customer's fault? Probably a little of everyone's and no ones.
In the research I've done and the people I've spoken to including former Kramer employees, this was just one of the things that seemed to happen to create marketplace confusion regarding their products, which were good products, BTW, and this was one of the many complex issues that contributed to their downfall.
Kramer, was in fact in Neptune, NJ, USA. So the neck plate was good. It was never a secret where the instruments were made.
Agreed. Again, the issue is complex and probably changed from dealer to dealer. Some would leave the "made in Korea" stickers on, others would not and then who was able to tell one from the other?
Nothing shady about that, and to infer that is incorrect. I would like you to withdraw comment, as it is unnecessary and also incorrect.
I apologize if it was a blanket statement and as pointed and direct as it needed to be. Was Kramer being shady?
One could argue that towards the end little effort was made to differentiate product... you see that in the Spectors that were made after Stuart left.
There are NS-2A models running around out there with Crown Inlays and USA Circuits. Were they sold as USA models? I haven't been able to track anyone down who was an original owner of one of these to get their story.
Was this a symptom of the financial pressures that were on the company as a result of a completely different set of circumstances?
So I should have clarified. In the last year that Kramer operated there were a lot of blurred lines. Again, from former Kramer employees.
Am I trying to bash Kramer? No. They made great guitars. Look at how many have held their value through the years and are (especially when you look at the value when adjusted for inflation) worth twice and three times what they originally were. Crap guitars don't do that.
I think the whole story as I've been given it, and I'm sure some of those resources are biased, is pretty sad. A rags to riches to rags story. And luckily for a period of time some of the best and most innovative guitar designs in the history of the instrument came from Neptune, NJ.
I am anything but a Kramer fan. So let me apologize if I gave the wrong impression.
But if you look at the question that my post (that you quoted) was in response to, you'll see the EXACT sort of market confusion that "Kramer, Neptune, NJ" neck plate creates, even to this day. People see it and even though it doesn't say, "Made in the USA." They see Neptune, NJ and think, "This must have been made in Neptune, NJ"
That was the reason I made the comment I did.
During this same period I believe there were companies like Fender who would put neck bolt plates that said Fender USA or the like, but on the headstock noted where it was made.
Yeah. Don't get me started on Fender.
