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Spector Club - Part 11

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OK. Here are the cities for possible landing points for Abe's missing Coda-4:

Abe left Miami International Airport headed to Milwaukee, WI to Summerfest 2011.

Miami, FL
Milwaukee, WI

Now here are three more locations that the airline admits it may have landed:

Chicago, IL (OK... down the road from Milwaukee)

San Francisco, CA
San Raphael, CA

These last two boggle my mind. That's 2500 miles from where they should have gone. Wow. Not acceptable.

The bass is CODA-4 # 31 Gloss Black Finish with Tort Pick Guard.

Everyone in those areas... I appreciate you keeping your eyes peeled. Thanks!

This is really sad. I hope it is found and returned safely.
I assume they came up with these "cities" as these were flights scheduled from Miami around the same time?

Just a thought,
The airport code for Milwaukee is MKE

He may want to check airports with similar codes and see if it went to one of them.

MFE Mcallen-Miller International Airport

I know American has flights to MFE Mcallen. I went there a few times years ago on business with them.
They fly from Dallas DFW to McAllen MFE.

FYI the McAllen airport is a very small 5 gate airport with nomore then 3 planes in the terminal at a time.
(not a very big operation) having been there I could see them just having the case sitting in the holding area and not knowing what to do with it.
 
It don't think it has been modified, the ad states it's a luthier build. I also believe it shares many characteristics with old Spectors:
- body shape
- pickups (placement and brand)
- wood combination
- Badass bridge
The following statement is my opinion and not meant to be or sound combative or argumentative. Just my opinion.... :cool:

Your first statement is contradictory.
If it is not modified, then it's stock.
If it is a luthier build outside of the SPECTOR facilities... it's modified , no?
Really?

look at:
the headstock... it's been reshaped .. IMO, cross between a Ric and a Warwick.
No Spector Logo.
The E & G strings look awfully close to the edge of the fretboard.
The controls - missing one pot - not stock Spector Electronics..
I said I wasn't sure about the pups... one point for you :D lol.
There's more "not Spector" about it than there "is SPECTOR" I think.. again IMO

If you like it that's cool.
I'm not into modd'ed SPECTOR basses unless it absolutely can't be helped like the one below...
I don't dislike like it, but I probably wouldn't buy it for 950.00...

Here's a restored 2000 USA built NS-2J...
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Best that could be done considering it used to look like this after being in house fire...
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JPS...

I scoured CL with Search Tempest and it's not showing anywhere yet.... nor on eBay, either.
You guys must be absolutely SICK over this tragedy.
If it's been stolen, I better not see it. Who ever has it will go to the hospital before going to jail... figgin thieves...
 
He is correct.
It is not "moddified" in the strictest term, which is a physical, after the fact, alteration of an original build, in part. It is a from the ground up luthier build that is a derivative of another design (the Coda headstock point was perfect :D) from which it was inspired, not moddified.

Are all Warwick Streamers moddified NS's? Are all Sadowskys moddified Fenders? Copies, Tributes, (Rip-offs :eek:)? Maybe.
I guess you could say the "design idea" was moddified. ;)
Don't confuse "moddified" with "salvaged". :smug:

Curious why he only went 21 frets on the fingerboard. :confused:
He was mentioning "pickup placement" as being different, and yes, it does indeed look like the P is farther back than normal.
But that is only because of the short board. If you extend that fingerboard to the normal Spector 24 frets, that pickup looks to be in the right spot. Hmmm....
 
How long have you been using D'Addarios?
I ask because I've used them for a lot of years and always needed SL's on any 35" scale Spector because the regular longs just hit the nut when the outer winding would end. The outer winding on the SL's is actually a little too long and I have to modify my B's so the outer winding doesn't wrap around the tuning post.

Now, the reason I ask "how long" is because I heard that D'Addario may have started extending the outer winding on the regular Longs by 1/4". This would mean I could use them on the 35" scale Spectors without having to use and modify the B's on the SL's.

I've only had the Euro5 for about a month so I'd say about a month. But I've since switched to elixers.
 
I wouldn't call this an abomination, it looks pretty cool actually. The head isn't worse than Spector's version of the Fender head :-P

It looks to me as if a luthier liked the NS-Body design and wanted to try building one for himself.

It does look like an early NS-1 - NS-2... with the bridge, body materials, etc... And I give this luthier props for not doing the one thing that would have created trouble for him, which is copy the SPECTOR headstock.

Which brings me to... the Coda bass doesn't have a "version" of the Fender headstock. It has a SPECTOR version of an in-line (as opposed to side by side) headstock.

See the only part of a stringed instrument that can be protected under US Patent law is the actual headstock shape.

No one should ever make a copy of a Fender, Gibson, Spector, or any other bass and try to make a copy of that bass's headstock. That'll get you into big trouble.

I'm sure this bass is a nice bass. It has some interesting materials. And if the luthier is good, he could make a near identical copy of an NS if he had one to go by and had the right machinery, skill and time.

As a SPECTOR purist, I'm not a big fan of mods. Although I myself have a heavily modified NS-2A. So I'm not casting stones.

But this isn't a mod... it's a copy. And as a one-of-a-kind "homage" or "tribute" to Stuart and Ned, cool. But make more than one and you're ripping off Stuart and Ned. And that's not cool. Now you're making money selling something that is based on a design you didn't create and you don't have the legal rights to.

And something like that is an abomination to someone like me who cares about his friends, their hard work and the integrity that they build every instrument with.

I got the feeling this may be one of several "Tribute" basses. And honestly, if you're gonna make money that way, find another line of work or come up with something original on your own. Stuart and Ned have come up with dozens of original designs. It can be done.

The copycat, rip-off, unoriginal, "make money from someone else's innovative thinking" sort of mentality makes me a little more than ill. Which is why I'll never own a Warwick.

It's just my personal opinion... nothing wrong with you if you like it. I'll just file it away with the Streamer as an abomination that would make great firewood or better yet, if I ever wanted to smash a guitar on stage for theatrics... one of these would do just well.
 
If they take a Fender made bass and reshape the headstock, change the preamp , then I would say - yes it's a modified Fender -
Or... then call it "theirs" plus give it "their model name" I'd call it a rip-off, cause IMO, it IS a rip-off.

Does anyone really use terms in "the strictest sense" anymore anyway... :confused:
 
It looks to me as if a luthier liked the NS-Body design and wanted to try building one for himself.

It does look like an early NS-1 - NS-2... with the bridge, body materials, etc... And I give this luthier props for not doing the one thing that would have created trouble for him, which is copy the SPECTOR headstock.

Which brings me to... the Coda bass doesn't have a "version" of the Fender headstock. It has a SPECTOR version of an in-line (as opposed to side by side) headstock.

See the only part of a stringed instrument that can be protected under US Patent law is the actual headstock shape.

No one should ever make a copy of a Fender, Gibson, Spector, or any other bass and try to make a copy of that bass's headstock. That'll get you into big trouble.

I'm sure this bass is a nice bass. It has some interesting materials. And if the luthier is good, he could make a near identical copy of an NS if he had one to go by and had the right machinery, skill and time.

As a SPECTOR purist, I'm not a big fan of mods. Although I myself have a heavily modified NS-2A. So I'm not casting stones.

But this isn't a mod... it's a copy. And as a one-of-a-kind "homage" or "tribute" to Stuart and Ned, cool. But make more than one and you're ripping off Stuart and Ned. And that's not cool. Now you're making money selling something that is based on a design you didn't create and you don't have the legal rights to.

And something like that is an abomination to someone like me who cares about his friends, their hard work and the integrity that they build every instrument with.

I got the feeling this may be one of several "Tribute" basses. And honestly, if you're gonna make money that way, find another line of work or come up with something original on your own. Stuart and Ned have come up with dozens of original designs. It can be done.

The copycat, rip-off, unoriginal, "make money from someone else's innovative thinking" sort of mentality makes me a little more than ill. Which is why I'll never own a Warwick.

It's just my personal opinion... nothing wrong with you if you like it. I'll just file it away with the Streamer as an abomination that would make great firewood or better yet, if I ever wanted to smash a guitar on stage for theatrics... one of these would do just well.
+1 my sentiments exactly but said better than I...
but, What do you want from a truck driver anyway? LOL :D:D:D:D:
 
trace i dont think that cavity was filled in , i think its just the wood . how can you tell the fret board has been replaced ? or do you just mean its a different material than what stuart/ned used ? its damn sure extremely close to the 70s basses that they made . honestly the best ns copy ive ever seen .
 
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Yes, It's a nice modified copy of a Spector... :cool:

He says the fretboard is cocobolo...:cool: I don't think SPECTOR used cocobolo for their fret boards then.. I may be wrong, dunno for sure...
The placement of the controls looks wrong and has only 3 of the 4, the cord jack .:hmm:
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He says "Custom 'Dave Reimer' built Spector bass" and "Selling a SS77' 'Scott Smith' 1977' Style Spector Tribute Bass, built by local session bassist/luthier Dave Reimer! If that doesn't scream modified copy ...
The headstock was modified in shape and the SS logo was replaced with someone else's logo.
this is a 79 NS-2 body style same as the "custom build" but notice it's 24 fret neck..
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This is the copy and IMO looks like he just cut and added the wings from the NS-2 to a one piece maple 21 fret neckthru spine. Notice where the 21st fret is... deeper into the body than the NS-2 above and NS-1 below.
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He says it's a "Scott Smith 'style' 1977 Spector", but,
Scott Smith didn't use the NS-2 - He used an NS-1 ... like this one -no J pup- (note the diamond "SPECTOR" pickup, controls, and jack location...)
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I could be wrong and if I am, then I am. :cool:
That's my opinion... it's a copy/modified/ripoff of Stuart and Ned's product and call it an SS77 model on top of it.
I don't think SPECTOR has an SS77 model, do they?
I hope whoever buys it is very happy with it...
 
I`ve posted this in the "Luthiers corner" section, but wanna give it a try here.

A friend is trying to buy a replacement bridge for his Spector Euro. Current one is fully functional but looks a bit rusty.

Does anybody know where to find one aside from Spector`s web site ?

Thanks
 
OK. EARLY NS-1 & NS-2 History...

The "regular" production of the NS-Bass started in the fall of 1977 with the NS-1.

The NS-1 was "1" because it had a single DiMarzio "P" pickup routed into the body.

The body dimensions are NO different than they are today. The placement of the bridge is NO different than it is today.

The bridge on the 1977 NS-1 from the second batch of 12 ever produced that I'm holding in the photo below is placed approx 3 inches from the bottom center of the guitar. My 2010 NS-4 has the bridge in the same position.

The NS-1, to be different than the other basses out there at the time, had a six-sided pickup route cut into it and Stuart melted, poured and formed the plastic cover for the pickups (this was a completely original NS-1, BTW) in the Brooklyn Woodwork's Co-Op. They decided it was dangerous to do so, fumes and the potential for fire, and the NS-2 was introduced with the standard routes that the NS-2 has today.

Back in the first days of the NS-Bass, Stuart used Rock Maple for the necks, solid black walnut for the wings and ebony for the fingerboards. Those were the three standard NS-Bass woods.

They have always been 34" scale.
They have always had 24 frets.

The NS-1 had two (2) control knobs.

The plug was on the front of the bass below the control knobs until late 1978 when Stuart moved it to the bottom. Eventually with the NS-2 it moved to the position it currently resides at.

Some early NS-2 models (such as the one Jack Bruce played for years) had pickup selector switches and three knobs.

The NS-Bass as we've come to know it, with the 4 control knobs was born with the creation of the USA 9v (Haz) circuit in late 1979.

The original NS-Bass up until the invention of the USA Spector Locking Bridge in late 1983, used the Leo Quan BadAss 1 Bridge (no longer made).

The serial numbers for these basses were always hand etched into the bottom of the bridge (see photo below).

Scott Smith played a 1978 NS-1. Single P pup.

Stuart experimented with many different tone-control solutions, thus some models had tone selector switches, coil tap switches, etc... And these could vary from guitar to guitar. There was no standard until the Haz Tone Circuit became "THE CIRCUIT".

The Abomination Bass - I just love the word "Abomination" honestly... is wrong. Scott didn't play an NS-2. And the bridge for the NS-2 was NEVER located in the position the poster of that ad claims.

The scale length has to be off or wonky, because there are 3 less frets and the bridge sits so far back.

In all, it looks well-made, but like this MODIFIED ABOMINATION which is sadly an original NS-1 that some Douche-tard routed a "J" pup into and is trying to pass off as one of the first "NS-2" models. IT IS NOT. And Ed Roman knows this, I've told him personally. He was asking $10K for it. So at least he's knocked the price down. Sadly, there is no NS-2 Serial #11.

It would have had a dated serial number like the one in this picture. Also, Wenge has never been a wood that Stuart has cared too much for in the building of guitars. So the "Wenge" fingerboard is either marked as "Wenge" incorrectly - such as a dark stained Pau Ferro, or it's a replacement fingerboard. Which is even worse. Normally, this would be Ebony.

Now, we've all learned here hopefully that there are exceptions to every rule. And Stuart did experiment with a number of different wood combinations until he found the tonal mix that Rock Maple, Pau Ferro, and Quilt Maple bring forth. Add the Haz tone circuit and it's the combination that created the "Sting Bass" and the truest form of "The SPECTOR Tone". Todd Cooke and PJ Rubal have some of the earliest and best preserved examples of the coming together of equipment and woods that made the SPECTOR NS-Bass the instrument we've all come to love.

It's been 36 years. A lot of myth, incorrect assumptions and the lack of a large number of these rarest of collectable SPECTORs have been on the market for people to know the "411" on them.

Then you have guys like Ed who are trying to sell something that is simply NOT what he says it is. To my best knowledge, there has NEVER been an NS-2 built with the large 6-sided route for the "P" pup. This was an NS-1 design feature. You see an NS-2 with one of those large cut-outs and it's NOT an NS-2. It's a mod'd NS-1... which is sad beyond belief to someone who could love to have one of these "purist Spectors" in their collection.

Lastly, by the NS-2 Stuart was bonding the Rock Maple necks differently than he did with the NS-1. Look at the cross-section where the two pieces of wood meet at the body/neck junction. By the NS-2, Stuart was bonding the wood side-by-side for the neck sections (like it is done today) and not on top of one another (as seen in these photos).

What is a shame about the Ed Roman NS-1 is that we'll never know the truth about what batch it came from. Unless the original bridge is still on it and you can see the serial number, it's a fake NS-2. A destroyed NS-1. Sad to do this to a piece of history.

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Oh. And as the Ed Roman site says, "One of Stuarts first instruments"... Hardly. Stuart had made a couple of hundred guitars by the time this one was made (if it was an NS-2).

Wrong answer... try again.

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Original 1977 NS-1 - Serial Number 110577 - Nov 05 1977

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This is where the serial number should be. If it's not here, there's a problem.
Never buy an NS-1 or early NS-2 without checking this. If no serial can be found
It's probably been modified or at least had a bridge change-out.

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For you Fodera lovers out there... this is some of Vinny's earliest work.
He was 17 when he apprenticed with Stuart. And these headstock inlays were Vinny's first job.

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Ebony!

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Unscrew this cover and under it should sit a single DiMarzio "P" pickup.
You can tell it's a DiMarzio from the way the magnets are done at the top of the pup.
You'll also notice the thumb support. This was original to this bass and probably done at the request
of the owner who ordered it. Stuart sometimes would place custom thumb rests for people if they
requested it.

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Sadly this baby's original tone circuit had finally died. So it was getting a new circuit installed.
I believe they went with the Aguilar OBP-1. There is a circular plastic cover that fits over this control cavity.
 
I'm wondering how hard it is to find replacement COVERS for EMG P's. As I mentioned in earlier descriptions of this NS-2A, the original owner upgraded the pups with EMGs, but then, to make a larger thumb rest spot (I'm guessing), he ground off the whole part where the topmost screw goes down through the pup. (photo attached).

The pup works fine, but looks like ass. Not good ass, either. I'm not even sure that what I'm asking is possible. Are EMG P pups like Fenders in that you can replace the covers?

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Looks like my "Spector Story" is getting postponed. I came down with the worst case of rotavirus ever! The last three days have been the worst of my life. If i have the strength and energy i'll finish it tonight.
 
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