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Splitting a sub gig

drpepper

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So, this is just a curiosity post...I'm not trying to figure out what to do, but the circumstance seemed like it might be interesting enough to toss around, maybe not.

I'm the regular sub with a band that gets decent to very good gigs. And straight at start I'll say, this is where I suspect I'll already lose some portion of people reading, but the routine is that they ask if I can sub and I say whether I can or not...I'm not generally told how much unless there's something notable and I don't feel the need to ask. I've been doing this close to 10 years with them. It's an even split deal and the overall situation is close, friendly and no-one is a FT player. I usually get between $200-400 as an even member split. I can generally tell either from past experience or the type of event roughly where that'll fall, so needing to know or them feeling the need to tell me faded away a long time ago. I've never been disappointed, and this band has been the one with my two highest paying gigs ever.

So, we have one tomorrow where when I was asked, I said I couldn't do it because I'm booked. They came back and said the only other person immediately available doesn't know a good portion of the songs and asked if there was any possibility that I could do part of the gig? Looking at the times, it was tight but I could play the two of three sets and make it to my other gig, so we decided on that.

With not so much time left (a bit over a week ago), fortunately I noticed online that the venue had a start time an hour later than we talked about. I contacted the BL right away and said that being the case, it really didn't seem to make sense to spend more time driving than I will playing...certainly they can come up with enough songs that the other guy knows to cover one set. He checked and the insistence was that that still wanted me to do it because it'll allow them to play some of the more important songs that he's just not going to get and I can still get on the road at the same time, which is the important thing.

I agreed to do it with a sigh, it's done, I'll go and play just the first set and go.

You're the BL in the situation...are you doing a six way split instead of five or trying to re-split one share between the two bass subs?

Yeah, yeah, I know some are saying "This wouldn't be an issue for me because I NEVER agree to play without knowing the pay" or "That's the first thing I would have thought of!" or "I'd tell them to give me a full five-way split or I'd never work with them again! Well, it didn't occur to me and I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch regardless...it's just not that type of situation.
 
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So Anyway, it's always hard for me to say no to a gig. But sometimes the logistics just don't work out.
At this point you're doing them a solid to help them out with their gig.
I would take a long view and accept whatever money was offered. Subbing for them looks to be a pretty fat payday.
Good Luck...drive carefully! :)
 
So Anyway, it's always hard for me to say no to a gig. But sometimes the logistics just don't work out.
At this point you're doing them a solid to help them out with their gig.
I would take a long view and accept whatever money was offered. Subbing for them looks to be a pretty fat payday.
Good Luck...drive carefully! :)

Yeah, it's not an impossibility for me, but I generally don't like saying "no"

When I found out they had the time wrong, I was really pushing to not do it but I gave in and reluctantly agreed

And we're all friends more than this being a business arrangement, so whatever comes
 
If I was the BL I’d be taking one share and giving you 1/3 of that for the one set, 2/3 to the other guy if he’s doing 2 sets.
That's what I would expect if nothing else was said. BUT, there really should've been something said at the point where they said "come do the one set." "I could do that, but can you make it so the money is worth my driving time?"
 
I would do the thing that aligned with my needs and plans, but that also maintained my reputation for reliability, professionalism, and integrity. Money would come after all of that.

Hard to know all of the details to advise you well, so I can only outline what metrics I would use to guide my response. Be sure to be cheerful and willing to help at the gig.
 
I think you'd be entitled to a share equal to how much of the show you played. But, would a fraction of a share entice someone else to play? In essence, it's the same amount of work (load in/load out) for less pay.

Were I the BL, I'd make do with a sub who could play the whole show. Splitting the show would be confusing and awkward. Just my opinion
 
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Odd timing on this post (and area, too), as I just left a band for the opposite - they wanted to get more sub rotations to keep subs happy as they were trying to ramp up the gigs and keep the promoter happy (our band filled in a lot of no-shows or cancellations). Not trying to start any flame wars, but what is the general consensus on subs when the band member is available for a gig? Is this something that is not out of the ordinary to ask a long-time band member to sit out, just so they can work with other subs?
 
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My response would be different if this was a one-off but from your OP, it seems to me that the best thing to do would be to do what you can to help them out, and not worry about the pay. It sounds like they’ve been good to you in the past and if it were me put a lot of emphasis on that. They’ll remember if you do as much as you can, but don’t complain about the driving time.
Let him know you’re doing it because you want to do them a solid, and it will come back to you as goodwill in the future. Is there any flexibility with the other gig to maybe push that a little later?
 
No sir, I don’t like it. Sorry you’re in this situation, although it seems to be partly the band leader’s and partly your fault. If I were a band leader in this current predicament (having begged you to help them out despite making your night much longer and more work due to another bassists short comings), I would give up some/all of my own band leader pay to give you a full share for doing the band such a big favor. Of course, that’s assuming I’d end up in this situation in the first place, which I wouldn’t as a band leader or a sub.

In any case I admire you going along with it and taking the high road. I hope this works out, you have a fun night, and you continue to get the good sub gigs with them! (I highly suggest you use the other subs gear, regardless of quality)
 
Yeah, it's not an impossibility for me, but I generally don't like saying "no"

When I found out they had the time wrong, I was really pushing to not do it but I gave in and reluctantly agreed

And we're all friends more than this being a business arrangement, so whatever comes
My take? You're friends. If it turns out you don't do as well for money this time, you did them a favour. It's not like you need the money for food/rent right?
 
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So, this is just a curiosity post...I'm not trying to figure out what to do, but the circumstance seemed like it might be interesting enough to toss around, maybe not.

I'm the regular sub with a band that gets decent to very good gigs. And straight at start I'll say, this is where I suspect I'll already lose some portion of people reading, but the routine is that they ask if I can sub and I say whether I can or not...I'm not generally told how much unless there's something notable and I don't feel the need to ask. I've been doing this close to 10 years with them. It's an even split deal and the overall situation is close, friendly and no-one is a FT player. I usually get between $200-400 as an even member split. I can generally tell either from past experience or the type of event roughly where that'll fall, so needing to know or them feeling the need to tell me faded away a long time ago. I've never been disappointed, and this band has been the one with my two highest paying gigs ever.

So, we have one tomorrow where when I was asked, I said I couldn't do it because I'm booked. They came back and said the only other person immediately available doesn't know a good portion of the songs and asked if there was any possibility that I could do part of the gig? Looking at the times, it was tight but I could play the two of three sets and make it to my other gig, so we decided on that.

With not so much time left (a bit over a week ago), fortunately I noticed online that the venue had a start time an hour later than we talked about. I contacted the BL right away and said that being the case, it really didn't seem to make sense to spend more time driving than I will playing...certainly they can come up with enough songs that the other guy knows to cover one set. He checked and the insistence was that that still wanted me to do it because it'll allow them to play some of the more important songs that he's just not going to get and I can still get on the road at the same time, which is the important thing.

I agreed to do it with a sigh, it's done, I'll go and play just the first set and go.

You're the BL in the situation...are you doing a six way split instead of five or trying to re-split one share between the two bass subs?

Yeah, yeah, I know some are saying "This wouldn't be an issue for me because I NEVER agree to play without knowing the pay" or "That's the first thing I would have thought of!" or "I'd tell them to give me a full five-way split or I'd never work with them again! Well, it didn't occur to me and I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch regardless...it's just not that type of situation.

If I were band leader, whatever I normally would have paid the bassist for a whole gig would be divided by the amount of set’s played. You play one of 3 sets, you get 33%of whatever the position is worth. 2 of 3 = 66%.