Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

[Darkonar]

You can run two 4 Ohm cabs in series at 8 ohms. So if it is a SS amp no real benefit.

I could also get more cabs later, right?
But yeah you're right, i guess, not a good idea if the amp puts less than 500W at 4 ohms.

If you want a total load of 4 ohms then you'd need to rewire the cabs so they are 2 or 8 ohms each. Then a series parallel box would allow you to run them at 4 ohms.

212 cabs, 8 ohm speakers. I'd guess it can't be done if the speakers are all 8 ohms?

but that is only possible if he swaps out the speakers.

Indeed, and that'd be way out of my budget, too. I could even get a custom built amp for the same money!

I guess it depends on what the speakers are and how they are currently wired, no? My 215 can run at 4 or 16 ohms. An 810 using 32 ohm speakers can be wired many different ways.

Both cabs are 212 and both deliver max output at 4 ohms, one is loaded with Beyma neo's and the other has Deltalites. I'd assume the Beymas are 8 ohms too.

Nope.
4 Ohm 410 can be wired 1, 4, 16 ohms. Your 215 is 4 or 16, but could not be wired at 8 Ohms with out a change in speakers.

Would be the same with my 212s, so it'd be less of a hassle to get an amp that can run 4ohm stereo or 2 ohm mono.

Well, thanks you guys, this is very useful information for me. Hugs for you both! (>^.=.^)>

 

[JMac- Wiskerface Designs]

Hey guys. Just kicking some ideas around, on a recent gear score, and would love some thoughts and input on it. Any rate, last week, I picked one of those kinda old/kinda rare, Pignose 100 watt, with a 15 all tube bass combos (B100V), at a heck of a price. All said, it's in really good condition(very clean).
In it's current combo form, it's a decent format for a combo amp (kinda small, not too heavy), and sounds pretty okay on it's own (very mid forward, and stays mostly clean till about 1:00 on the volume). However, it sounds really nice with pedals.
All said, compared to what I usually play through the speaker is kinda weak sauce (low cost driver, improperly designed enclosure), so I'm trying to decide if I wanna flip it as-is, or maybe retube it with a fresh set of decent tubes, build a headcase, and properly designed 15 speaker cab for it.

Yall's thoughts would be much appreciated!

As it sits at this point (Google'd photo, not My amp)
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[Darkonar]

Hey guys. Just kicking some ideas around, on a recent gear score, and would love some thoughts and input on it. Any rate, last week, I picked one of those kinda old/kinda rare, Pignose 100 watt, with a 15 all tube bass combos (B100V), at a heck of a price. All said, it's in really good condition(very clean).
In it's current combo form, it's a decent format for a combo amp (kinda small, not too heavy), and sounds pretty okay on it's own (very mid forward, and stays mostly clean till about 1:00 on the volume). However, it sounds really nice with pedals.
All said, compared to what I usually play through the speaker is kinda weak sauce (low cost driver, improperly designed enclosure), so I'm trying to decide if I wanna flip it as-is, or maybe retube it with a fresh set of decent tubes, build a headcase, and properly designed 15 speaker cab for it.

Yall's thoughts would be much appreciated!

As it sits at this point (Google'd photo, not My amp)
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Option B, I say

 

[CL400Peavey]

Hey guys. Just kicking some ideas around, on a recent gear score, and would love some thoughts and input on it. Any rate, last week, I picked one of those kinda old/kinda rare, Pignose 100 watt, with a 15 all tube bass combos (B100V), at a heck of a price. All said, it's in really good condition(very clean).
In it's current combo form, it's a decent format for a combo amp (kinda small, not too heavy), and sounds pretty okay on it's own (very mid forward, and stays mostly clean till about 1:00 on the volume). However, it sounds really nice with pedals.
All said, compared to what I usually play through the speaker is kinda weak sauce (low cost driver, improperly designed enclosure), so I'm trying to decide if I wanna flip it as-is, or maybe retube it with a fresh set of decent tubes, build a headcase, and properly designed 15 speaker cab for it.

Yall's thoughts would be much appreciated!

As it sits at this point (Google'd photo, not My amp)
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First decide if you really want/need such a tube amp. Is it really going to make a good showing in your line up?

 

[mbelue]

I'd pull the amp and make a Kick-ass Whiskerface Designs shell for it.
I hate combo amps though.

 

[Lazarus.Bird]

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[Squanch72]

More of this today...

Damn blocked by my work computer, when are jobs going to realize that blocking things slows down efficiency even more because now I have to take the time to check this out on my phone, I could be back working by now but no....LOL

 

[Squanch72]

You want to see furries just go to a Phil Lesh show...

 

[Kaa]

Hey guys. Just kicking some ideas around, on a recent gear score, and would love some thoughts and input on it. Any rate, last week, I picked one of those kinda old/kinda rare, Pignose 100 watt, with a 15 all tube bass combos (B100V), at a heck of a price. All said, it's in really good condition(very clean).
In it's current combo form, it's a decent format for a combo amp (kinda small, not too heavy), and sounds pretty okay on it's own (very mid forward, and stays mostly clean till about 1:00 on the volume). However, it sounds really nice with pedals.
All said, compared to what I usually play through the speaker is kinda weak sauce (low cost driver, improperly designed enclosure), so I'm trying to decide if I wanna flip it as-is, or maybe retube it with a fresh set of decent tubes, build a headcase, and properly designed 15 speaker cab for it.

Yall's thoughts would be much appreciated!

As it sits at this point (Google'd photo, not My amp)
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Any speaker outs on the back? Before I did anything to it, if possible, I'd run it to one of your good cabs to get a realistic tone eval. You may find it sounds great with a better cab. If it does, option B. If it still is not pleasing to your ear, then an upgrade of the combo cab and such will end up being a waste of money for you. Clean and flip.

 

[Kaa]

did a quick TB search, and it sounds like these are just begging for a good cab.

 

[CL400Peavey]

Any speaker outs on the back? Before I did anything to it, if possible, I'd run it to one of your good cabs to get a realistic tone eval. You may find it sounds great with a better cab. If it does, option B. If it still is not pleasing to your ear, then an upgrade of the combo cab and such will end up being a waste of money for you. Clean and flip.

This is a good point!

 

[JMac- Wiskerface Designs]

First decide if you really want/need such a tube amp. Is it really going to make a good showing in your line up?

Yeah, for all intended purposes the most this rig would ever be for Me is a home jam rig, that could potentially double as a guitar amp. All said, if I decide to go the route of building things, and modding stuff up, I don't wanna dump too much money into the project.

Option B, I say

Thanks Man! totally noted!

I'd pull the amp and make a Kick-ass Whiskerface Designs shell for it.
I hate combo amps though.

Thanks Man! Haha, Yeah, I pretty much despise combo amps Myself, for a number of reasons. All said, I'll probably wind up putting it in a headshell anyway, as it would be more useful to Me in that format, not to mention the head versions seem to be a bit more desirable on the used market (which I can totally understand).

Any speaker outs on the back? Before I did anything to it, if possible, I'd run it to one of your good cabs to get a realistic tone eval. You may find it sounds great with a better cab. If it does, option B. If it still is not pleasing to your ear, then an upgrade of the combo cab and such will end up being a waste of money for you. Clean and flip.

Yes, it has 4 and 8 ohm speaker taps on the back of the amp. The combo, is basically like they took the same amp they'd put into a head shell, and mounted it into the combo enclosure. I'd given some thought into running it through My 12/6 when I get a chance to pick it up from the practice space later this week.

Thanks for all the advice so far guys!

 

[D.M.N.]

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[JMac- Wiskerface Designs]

did a quick TB search, and it sounds like these are just begging for a good cab.

Yeah, from what I've read, and what I can tell by playing it (in it's current form), it's kind of a copy of an Ampeg V4-BH (4 6L6GC tube compliment), and sounds kinda B15'ish.

This is a good point!

This is a photo of the back of the amp section

 

[CL400Peavey]

Well this isnt going to help you one bit....

I really like the sound of my guitar through a tube amp, and my Faital loaded Dually....

 

[JMac- Wiskerface Designs]

Well this isnt going to help you one bit....

I really like the sound of my guitar through a tube amp, and my Faital loaded Dually....

Yeah, before picking up the amp, I had initially considered dropping a 15PR400 in it, but after taking a close look at the enclosure, that poopie probably wouldn't come together with any level of success, lol. Just My knee jerk judging, by the way it's ported (four 1" holes drilled into the baffle), and the internal volume of the enclosure, I cant foresee much of anything dropping in it and sounding/working very good, must less what's in it now.
If I built a cab for it, I'd probably go with a modded TL606 type of deal, loaded with a 15PR400.

 

[Squanch72]

Yeah, from what I've read, and what I can tell by playing it (in it's current form), it's kind of a copy of an Ampeg V4-BH (4 6L6GC tube compliment), and sounds kinda B15'ish.



This is a photo of the back of the amp section

I say since it has jacks for the speakers and you dig it through your better cabs then turn it into a head. Once you do your customizing magic on it, it can be a keeper or could always be a flipper for you if you tire of it down the line.

 

[Kaa]

If it's for a home jam speaker, and it sounds "B-15"-ish, I'd contemplate doing a new head shell/cab/combo enclosure for it. Might make a sweet recording amp.

 

[CL400Peavey]

Yeah, before picking up the amp, I had initially considered dropping a 15PR400 in it, but after taking a close look at the enclosure, that **** probably wouldn't come together with any level of success, lol. Just My knee jerk judging, by the way it's ported (four 1" holes drilled into the baffle), and the internal volume of the enclosure, I cant foresee much of anything dropping in it and sounding/working very good, must less what's in it now.
If I built a cab for it, I'd probably go with a modded TL606 type of deal, loaded with a 15PR400.

This is what I would do. Adjust volume, convert to 1/2", add bracing, tweak porting, and call it a day.

If it's for a home jam speaker, and it sounds "B-15"-ish, I'd contemplate doing a new head shell/cab/combo enclosure for it. Might make a sweet recording amp.

I could see a tube amp and the faital being a really sweet combo for recording.

 

[Kaa]

This is what I would do. Adjust volume, convert to 1/2", add bracing, tweak porting, and call it a day.



I could see a tube amp and the faital being a really sweet combo for recording.

Yeah. Depending on the cab/speaker, you could dial in just enough sweet break up to get the velvet-y tone from the power tubs.

I'd go with a real, real inefficient speaker to keep the overall volume way down.