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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

what do we think of electronic drum kits? I live in a suite, there is no way i could play real drums without immediately being evicted. But kind of want to goof around a bit. Local ad for some got me thinking

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Is suite Canadian for apartment or you live in a hotel?

Electric kits can be cool, the sensitive ones are best so you can have some semblance of dynamics
 
They're OK. I enjoy them from my perspective as a bassist. Lots of drummers HATE them because of the dynamics issue Askrere is referring to but they will also randomly just fail to trigger and be silent.
Or mistrigger and play two sounds together when hitting one pad.
Weird stuff like that.
 
Does such a device exist? Something that can dial down your watts? One that isn't built into the amp.
Yes but most are rated for 100w. Don't think you could dial down a svt or ad200.

Edit: I lived in your shoes for a minute with the whole power tube od and head wattage. Looking for the perfect mix of headroom and dirt. Minus a boutique amp most your options are limited to 100-150w amps that might make it and loud amps that need dirt boxes. I still think a v4 might be the guy and vintage ones can be had around $650.
 
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Yes but most are rated for 100w. Don't think you could dial down a svt or ad200.

Edit: I lived in your shoes for a minute with the whole power tube od and head wattage. Looking for the perfect mix of headroom and dirt. Minus a boutique amp most your options are limited to 100-150w amps that might make it and loud amps that need dirt boxes. I still think a v4 might be the guy and vintage ones can be had around $650.

I see. So either V-4 for now, or Orange now and mod it later.
 
For the electronic drum kits you can use a cheapo kit as a MIDI controller to run EZDrummer 2 or Superior Drummer/etc and it will sound great. I've gotten really good at drum programming but I was going to eventually go that route as I feel the metalheads expansion for EZDrummer 2 sounds pretty awesome.
 

Well she's ok now and won't be getting struck by a smooth criminal ever again or whatever happened in her past life. Good on you!

it's when part (usually the bottom floor/basement) of a house is rented out

That seems more common in Canada, and elsewhere in the U.S. No basements in Texas. Some people have mother in law houses or a second/third story attic conversions for rent though around universities and urban areas.

I see. So either V-4 for now, or Orange now and mod it later.

Don't buy a brand new orange to turn it into something it's not.

I'm willing to bet you have a friend or musical acquaintance with an SVT, or maybe even a v4 to try. If not I've never been to a guitar center in my life that didn't have an svt 810 stack with a massive price tag standing proudly at the center of the bass nook.

I think ampegfuzz is right you could get away with using a v4, but a v4 preamp isn't an svt preamp in a lighter package. It's a baxandal but different frequencies are attenuated by the controls. At least in the old ones. That said if you love the Early Ewiz tone the most and know he uses a pretty basic svt rig and muff, I wouldn't stray far from that. Why spend more on an orange, then spend more turning it into something else to cop a tone he didn't have. Svt you know you'll have the power and the tone you hear on most records from country to doom at your disposal.

Also I don't know why you have to do sweetwater exactly, but if it's just for the layaway go look at pawn shops too. I bet one might have an svt or other cool head.
 
Well she's ok now and won't be getting struck by a smooth criminal ever again or whatever happened in her past life. Good on you!



That seems more common in Canada, and elsewhere in the U.S. No basements in Texas. Some people have mother in law houses or a second/third story attic conversions for rent though around universities and urban areas.



Don't buy a brand new orange to turn it into something it's not.

I'm willing to bet you have a friend or musical acquaintance with an SVT, or maybe even a v4 to try. If not I've never been to a guitar center in my life that didn't have an svt 810 stack with a massive price tag standing proudly at the center of the bass nook.

I think ampegfuzz is right you could get away with using a v4, but a v4 preamp isn't an svt preamp in a lighter package. It's a baxandal but different frequencies are attenuated by the controls. At least in the old ones. That said if you love the Early Ewiz tone the most and know he uses a pretty basic svt rig and muff, I wouldn't stray far from that. Why spend more on an orange, then spend more turning it into something else to cop a tone he didn't have. Svt you know you'll have the power and the tone you hear on most records from country to doom at your disposal.

Also I don't know why you have to do sweetwater exactly, but if it's just for the layaway go look at pawn shops too. I bet one might have an svt or other cool head.
I'm the only one of my friends that's ever even owned an SVT. I dug the tone, but I was more into metal than doom at the time and didn't really know what I had.

Tim doesn't actually use an SVT at all in the studio and never did. I can't really afford his setup, although it did involve a power amp with 6550's.

I called every music store in north California today and the only tube bass head in the area is a reissue V4 in the emeryville GC. I love the SVT sound, I love it a lot, but I just can't get it to cook like I can a V4 or B25. I should ask jimmym about the difference between the preamp, because I thought the V4B reissue, the OG SVT and OG V4 were all the same preamp.
 
Quick rundown not 100 % positive but it's to best of my knowledge

Vintage svt and svt vr-are practically the same but slightly different tubes used in preamp

Svt vr and new v4b- same preamps for pre tubes but different power tubes ( and wattage of course)

New v4b vs vintage v4b- different mid range section for frequencies, different tube sectional around . Ultra low rocker on vintage v4b is a high end roll off where the new is a mid scoop like a svt. One of the inputs on the vintage v4b cuts some lows slightly (which is good when driven) new v4b just has different input gain inputs

V4b and v4/vt22-
same tubes but mods to cut low freq on v4/vt22 since it is a guitar amp. v4/vt22 comes in 2 versions one with built in distortion and one with input gain rockers. Also think the mid range section is different between v4b and v4/vt22

Think all amps have ruffly the same eq points for the bass, treble, and ultra hi controls. All vintage v4 family have larger head boxes.

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76 v4b on top of 74 svt.
Also to note the vintage svt is slightly bigger then VR/CL head box but not as drastic.

Hope this helps some super nerds could point out slightly more but that's the ruff version.

Edit: vintage v4 family can run 2/4/8 ohm loads all at full power and when cranked top out and somewhere between 130-140 watts. It's 100w of "clean" headroom. Think the new v4b can run different loads too,
 
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what do we think of electronic drum kits? I live in a suite, there is no way i could play real drums without immediately being evicted. But kind of want to goof around a bit. Local ad for some got me thinking

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Yeah, some are touch sensitive, and you can adjust vol of course.

I have mixed feelings towards them but they'd be good for low vol practice.

E drums and drum machines can sound good for some kinds of music. Big Black and Cocteau Twins both used them to good effect.

I really prefer the real thing.
 
what do we think of electronic drum kits? I live in a suite, there is no way i could play real drums without immediately being evicted. But kind of want to goof around a bit. Local ad for some got me thinking

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I got a Roland set and dig it. I mostly got it for Micah since he is too small for guitar still and he does dig it but all he wants to do is play Minecraft right now LOL. I learned some basic rock patterns on it but I suck at doing fills. That is cheap too. I paid $250 at Sam Ash. Even if you didn't dig it after a while you could part it out on ebay, the drum module would sell for more then you paid for the whole kit.
 
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I hate trying to use e-drums in any type of jam situation, the weird double-trigger events, the no-trigger events and the CLACK CLACK THWAP of the pads overpowering the amp/pa that's amplifying the drums made it really hard to focus on the music.

For solo practice I think they're the next best thing to having a real kit.
 
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I hate trying to use e-drums in any type of jam situation, the weird double-trigger events, the no-trigger events and the CLACK CLACK THWAP of the pads overpowering the amp/pa that's amplifying the drums made it really hard to focus on the music.

For solo practice I think they're the next best thing to having a real kit.

The noise of the pads forgot about that... Damn it's annoying.

I had a friend who had a kit for his apartment. He mostly did headphones. I wonder if there was a sensitivity setting and he had it set super low, cause he'd beat them like they owed him money.

In other news working on the silvertone. I want to call Sears and see what the help desk says if I try giving them my chassis # lol.
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On the electric drum topic - if you've got money to burn, these cymbals:

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are awesome - they sound and feel exactly like real cymbals, they're just extremely quiet. Rather than a trigger, there's a microphone underneath the cymbal that picks up and amplifies the sound. I was extremely impressed with them, but they ain't cheap.
 

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