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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out
- Thread starter Korladis
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Obviously different amps, but my Eden put 500w into an 810 and was completely inaudible from the stage. A 200w GK would do practice fine but wouldn't do a show in the least.
Yeah that's true, I doubt I will ever need the full amp unless I'm playing a huge outdoor festival or something. But when has doom ever been about practicality? I want to level villages and I have enough amp to do it now. All I need is more cabs.
Also turkey, isn't your band the one who has 2 full stacks per guitarist or something crazy? Probably alot of stuff can't hang with that.
One full stack each for smaller stages and two half stacks each for larger stages all of the guitar heads are at least 100w. The reality of the situation is that every rig I have had would work if the guitars would turn down a bit.
I like to joke with my frontman that he needs more pedals, an SVT classic and 4 8 ohm 412s.
I would love to talk them into just using half stacks for small stages and full stacks for big stages but that will probably not ever happen.
I can understand that if no PA support but with it's just over kill for a small stage. Our last gig at the Golden Bull our stage volume was way too loud with PA support. Just half stacks and my 410 with the bridged HD1500/VTRM rack.
Course they didn't have the same sound guy that supported Catapult till the fire alarm went off.
Course they didn't have the same sound guy that supported Catapult till the fire alarm went off.
Yeah even i think this is a bit much. Could you talk them into two heads + 2 cabs each? That would still be stupid loud.
Edit:, that's what they're already doing. I can read sometimes.
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The balance between practicality and wanting to blow down doors is a never ending struggle. Especially once you're enabled on TB, because everyone seems to think even a small bar gig needs at least a 410 and 500 watts.
Reading other comments, I'm seeing that the problem isn't necessarily YOUR volume, but the rest of your bands'. All I can say is that I have put the MB200 up against 2 half stacks, 2 keyboards, vocals, and drums, and it's never had a problem. But then again, they were half-stacks. I don't think I'd play with people who HAD to use that big of a rig. It'd kill my hearing, and I'd like to be able to hear so I can play.
I honestly think speaker surface area and speaker efficiency makes a much better difference then wattage for sheer volume. I can run like 1200watts into my goliath sr but my 100 watt sunn beta bass into my ported 3x15 will annihilate anything in terms of sheer volume. Like I just bought a second epifani ps115 and it hugely increased my volume without any increase in wattage.
Anyways I've lurked in this thread for many years now but don't often post because I'm on at work late at night and all you guys seem to be active during the day. But I just finished my second solo album and I'm really happy with how it turned out so I figured I'd share it since it's a doom/sludge/post-metal project. People have actually BOUGHT it on the pay what you want so I'm pretty psyched about it.
Anyways I've lurked in this thread for many years now but don't often post because I'm on at work late at night and all you guys seem to be active during the day. But I just finished my second solo album and I'm really happy with how it turned out so I figured I'd share it since it's a doom/sludge/post-metal project. People have actually BOUGHT it on the pay what you want so I'm pretty psyched about it.
Earplugs. We necessitate them.
Yes. It is way overkill. But these guys are into the look of a lot of rig I guess. I'm not sure, I just play bass in a metal band ergo a second class citizen. (I joke).
On the same note, standing in front of that much power and speakers is pretty ****ing awesome.
I'll agree to all points made. My beta 115 is outrageously loud for its wattage. When I have it on 2 and I play standing it seems just right, but when I sit and get my ears closer to driver level it is pure punishment.
Also, welcome. I to work overnight and am always on throughout the evening.
You and me are probably the only ones. What's doomier then overnight shifts?
But in all seriousness regarding volume, as fun as it is to blast sound waves out. The bands I'm in usually save that poopie for shows for practice we tend to keep it light. I've only been in one band that blasted full stacks in practice and it was actually a bit annoying even with earplugs because the amount of reflections bouncing around the room made it somewhat difficult to make out what everybody was playing.
I'll tell you what's doomier. Blasting dopesmoker in its glorious entirety for my team while baking.
When we rehearse guitars just use half stacks and I use a 610. If the 610 is missing from the space(not mine) I use this absolutely poopie rogue 115 combo. Every fuzz I own sounds like the same garbage through that amp. It ruins toanz like its on salary. Not a terrible clean, but it does not like effects at all. I think I'm going to unstack my practice power stack and take my beta combo tonight though. I'm excited to hear how loud it can get. Volume pots are scratchy though and can be painful to adjust. I'll probably have to pull the head today and soak those bad boys in contact cleaner and twist till my hands hurt.
We can't listen to music @ my job anymore 
I have the beta head not the combo. I wish they made a reasonably priced distortion pedal that does the distortion from it. It has such an odd character to it and it still retains the note clarity great even at insane levels.
I have the beta head not the combo. I wish they made a reasonably priced distortion pedal that does the distortion from it. It has such an odd character to it and it still retains the note clarity great even at insane levels.
Indeed. I love that I can split my signal and run parallel fuzz or maintain an onboard clean blend. The combo was an acquisition I made last week. Got a great deal on it. I'm debating building a head case for it, but I'm not sure if it will boot my dual tube amp rig so it may not be worth the effort. Might just keep it as a practice combo. I'm hesitant but I may leave it at the practice spot.
I'm the boss, so music is always a go. I hear plenty of Mexican music so I do not feel bad when they have to listen to my metal jams.
I'm the boss, so music is always a go. I hear plenty of Mexican music so I do not feel bad when they have to listen to my metal jams.
Damn Jazz guys!! everyone knows you cant play a small bar without at least an 810 and 300 watts of tubes!! What are these guys playing, Karaoke???
you should let your boss know that in Chinese medicine one of the things a doctor will ask a depressed person or someone lethargic is "when did you stop enjoying music?".
the inability to appreciate music is a symptom of illness to them.
Something is obviously wrong with the amp. My ProLite is stupid loud. The point about sub harmonics is a good one though. Those eat up your headroom, and there is a lot of misconception about how low you really need to go with bass. IMHO 40hz eq points are useless as that is about the range where you want to cut. The upper harmonics really do fill in all the gaps in your brain. Cutting at 40hz just saves your amp, and your cab in the long run. Running a class D amp and a HPF I have never had anyone mention about my bass being lacking in tone or heft.
