Pick up truck.
This is actually the other reason why I chose to invest in duallies. Two cabs and my rack will weigh maybe 5-10lbs more than an 810.
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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out
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Pick up truck.
This is actually the other reason why I chose to invest in duallies. Two cabs and my rack will weigh maybe 5-10lbs more than an 810.
Yesterday was NBD
Wanted a short scale and remembered this was a good one to my ears. Crazy how high the output on the TV Jones designed pickup is. Definitely switching to flats as that high output and rounds is way too much finger noise for me. So much bass, even more than my 51 P with the mudbucker. Crazy fun little thing.
Not sure if there are any yerba drinkers here but I got a new stainless steel mate and spoon bombilla, finally found a non-travel mate that I really like using and isn't too small. Oh and Pampa brand yerba mate is effen delicious. Finally found a non-fruit flavored yerba that I really love. Buzz!!!
Wanted a short scale and remembered this was a good one to my ears. Crazy how high the output on the TV Jones designed pickup is. Definitely switching to flats as that high output and rounds is way too much finger noise for me. So much bass, even more than my 51 P with the mudbucker. Crazy fun little thing.
Not sure if there are any yerba drinkers here but I got a new stainless steel mate and spoon bombilla, finally found a non-travel mate that I really like using and isn't too small. Oh and Pampa brand yerba mate is effen delicious. Finally found a non-fruit flavored yerba that I really love. Buzz!!!
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There was a dodge van out here around that vintage. Once I get some of these projects out of the way I can consider something like that. The Toyota loaner pickup I'm using has been amp and cab transport for us lately.
Missing the 94 2500 dodge Long Bed. We could stuff that thing with gear and it would not flinch.
That thread is nine years old. The fact remains that there is stock of pretty much all the models they currently make out there at the shops that sell them.
That would be pretty expensive. But maybe I could just buy a black 4003S and have it refinished.
My minivan is my gig wagon. Took out the back row of seats and it now fits my rig (Mesa D-180 and Sunn 2000S cab) and three guitar halfstacks, plus keyboard and keyboard stand, and guitars and bass. Pretty much everything but the drums.
For local shows we all just haul our gear separately. No one keeps anything at the rehearsal space. We share the space with another band rent free in exchange for use of my drummers PA and a drum riser we built with plywood and milk crates. The other band keeps their cabs and drums there, which is why I get a lot of hands on time with the ole ampeg 610.
I haven't played out of town before with these guys or ever really, but when that time comes we will be good. Drummer owns a trailer.
Also, on the topic of non-metal/doomy guitars. Lead player leaves his 59' custom reissue at home for practice and uses the drummers Nash 73 tele deluxe semi hollow. It delivers the goods big time and feedback isn't really an issue. I wish he would play that all the time. Les Pauls are cool, but a little cliche visually and boring to me. If I played guitar in a heavy metal band I would rock a V or an Explorer. Possibly an SG.
Which brings a question to mind. As bassists I feel it's fairly common knowledge that if you put a P pickup in the P position, it will sound like a P no matter the body shape. Same with Js. Why is it that guitar players are so convinced that SGs, LPs, Vs and basically any dual humbucker guitars of a similar scale length sound different? I tried asking my guitarists but they are also the type of people convinced that lacquer vs poly impacts tone in a noticeable way on a solid body guitar.
I haven't played out of town before with these guys or ever really, but when that time comes we will be good. Drummer owns a trailer.
Also, on the topic of non-metal/doomy guitars. Lead player leaves his 59' custom reissue at home for practice and uses the drummers Nash 73 tele deluxe semi hollow. It delivers the goods big time and feedback isn't really an issue. I wish he would play that all the time. Les Pauls are cool, but a little cliche visually and boring to me. If I played guitar in a heavy metal band I would rock a V or an Explorer. Possibly an SG.
Which brings a question to mind. As bassists I feel it's fairly common knowledge that if you put a P pickup in the P position, it will sound like a P no matter the body shape. Same with Js. Why is it that guitar players are so convinced that SGs, LPs, Vs and basically any dual humbucker guitars of a similar scale length sound different? I tried asking my guitarists but they are also the type of people convinced that lacquer vs poly impacts tone in a noticeable way on a solid body guitar.
When I had my Ric 4003 I wanted a 4003S so very badly, I really hated that sharp body binding coming fresh off playing a Jazz bass for years and years. I offered mine up for a trade, looked for one to buy, never tracked anything down. Towards the end I heavily considered bringing it to a luthier and having them remove the binding, roll over the edge and refinish it, but that just seemed way too much effort in addition to voiding the warranty. In retrospect I probably could have done that and spent less than the cost new now (bought mine new in 2005 for $1100 shipped) and I ended up with warranty issues they wouldn't resolve and had to go out of pocket on them. I ended up just getting rid of it because I had so many other headaches with it and Rickenbacker leaving me swinging in the wind on warranty issues. Apparently they base the warranty period off the date of manufacture from the serial number and not the date of purchase and my "warranty" ran out days before I submitted for my issues.
SGs I think sound extremely similar to Les Pauls. Maybe slightly different due to the very different mass of the body (the SG being smaller and therefore having less mass). However, I doubt I could tell the difference on a recording.
Gibson Flying Vs and Explorers are pretty much the same guitar electrically. They might sound very slightly different due to the V having very little of its mass around the neck pickup and so forth, but again, I doubt I could tell the difference on a recording. And they'll still sound fairly similar to Les Pauls and SGs.
I don't think the finish really affects tone. While I do think wood does, especially between extremes (a really hard, dense wood, versus a really porous wood), the finish, really?
I think it's cool when a guitarist uses something really oddball, like a Gretsch, for metal. Or a tele (one of Bongripper's guitarists was using a tele when I saw them).
They sure are lucky they make a good quality unique instrument. If they were just another company making fender clones I don't think they would have made it out of the 70s.
People are really stupid and superstitious about changing things that already work. Stuperstitious? They tend to think if something works/sounds great that if they change one thing it must throw off the whole balance, as opposed to the reality of most manufactured items that there's a core useful bit and a lot of marketing and aesthetic based design elements. I mean Les Paul's original guitar was essentially a chunk of wood with everything functional attached to it. I doubt he thought attaching the hollow body wings to the railroad tie did anything but make it look more like what people expected a guitar to look like. Plenty of people have just nailed/screwed/bolted parts to 2x4's and such and made instruments that don't sound drastically different than beautiful hand crafted industry standards. Do they look the same? Do they feel the same? Nope. Could you make a pile of parts sound like a Les Paul or a Strat or a P bass or whatever...yup.
I'm curious how different any of those models sound recorded. I bet 99% of people couldn't tell the difference in a blind test.
I only kind of buy the mass of the body argument. I mean these are solid body instruments. Nut, bridge, strings and pickups impact the tone more than anything else. I do believe the type of wood makes a difference in the neck. For a solid body I just don't really believe the body plays much into it. Maybe that's because almost all of my basses have been bolt necks. I guess it might have more of an effect on set necks but I find most set necks to sound sort of half assed in the center of bolt necks and neck throughs.
Rickenbacker's business model is essentially the same as my toddler's. They know how much everyone loves them, so they operate at maximum sh*tty behavior with no incentive to improve.
I have a friend who drives for Uber and he has a lot of "interesting" stories. Most of them involve puke and couples fighting.
I have two guitars that are electrically the same. Same pickups. Same controls. Identical. Both are hard tail bridges. I use the same strings on both, they are both tuned the same, and have the same tuners. Both are bolt on. They sound quite different, though. On one, the body is made out of some kind of very soft, porous wood. Not sure what it is, but it's very light and even with a solid finish, you can see how porous it is. The other is made out of some kind of very dense, hard wood, and is much heavier. The first guitar has a much "darker" tone, whereas the second is very noticeably brighter.
I have a friend in Austin driving for Lyft as well. Tall gangly guy with glasses and curly dirty blonde hair, probably driving a little grey VW Golf. If you see him, throw eggs at him.
I do think they should change their warranty policy.
Gibson kind of operates on the same model, to a lesser extent with their guitars. People have been making the same complaints about design flaws in their basses for years (because they need to replace parts or get repairs made) and their response has essentially been "People keep buying them, why would we change anything?".
I've gotten very cynical about some guitar/bass companies that have been innovators and leaders in design and now essentially coast on "Hey, our instruments look this way and look who's played them". In contrast, Fender has consistently tried to modernize and innovate with their designs and people hate them for it almost every time and demand vintage reissues. So I guess musicians can take a good chunk of the blame ourselves.
I've gotten very cynical about some guitar/bass companies that have been innovators and leaders in design and now essentially coast on "Hey, our instruments look this way and look who's played them". In contrast, Fender has consistently tried to modernize and innovate with their designs and people hate them for it almost every time and demand vintage reissues. So I guess musicians can take a good chunk of the blame ourselves.
