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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Yes. They are buddies with a lot of the local club owners and promoters that cater to rock and heavy music and have both been part of pretty successful local bands thus making said friends a buncha coin. Obviously that stance wouldn't function out of town. I honestly don't care about the money. $20-40 is cool but not enough for me to be salty over not putting it in my pocket. It grinds me that it is simply not discussed as if we weren't getting paid and then they keep the loot. If money is to be had, I want it. But if it isn't much I want it to contribute towards covering the next batch of CDs, merch, space rent, studio time etc...

Morons... With regard to the bass, yes absolutely. They are incredible at their instruments and great writers and they know what they can get away with regarding gigging.

As for practice vs. sports. Drummer is a huge blues fan. I get it. I like some sports as well. I don't even mind a cancelled practice if an important game is on at the same time as rehearsal. But if we have an upcoming gig; yeah... The sports game is always less important unless the Blues were to miraculously make it to the Cup. Then even I'd rather watch the game. Dude cancels practice for games, dates, "I'm not feeling it tonight" and other BS. That coupled with the fact that he doesn't want to haul the merch, doesn't like to practice long or often and always tries to borrow a kit so he doesn't have to move his makes me think this joker doesn't really want to be in a band. He just wants to gig and reap glory. All the blood, sweat and tears are not of interest.

****. The hard part is, as I've stated, that I love the music, like the guys as individuals and love gigging and generally playing with talented people.

St. Louis is such a poopie scene for metal outside of its upper echelon that I'd likely end up jamming half assed covers of Enter Sandman and Back in Black with a 30 year old guitarist in his moms basement playing out of a Crate 112 combo and no drummer. Or a drummer that can barely keep time with a basic beat and no guitarist. Or some kind of SRV cover band. The Midwest has some serious weakness

I'm going to stop being negative now. I've cooled off and want to discuss gear and sweet bands.

@Pelham Bleu you need to try the beta with a big boy tube amp slaved. This is your homework. We'd all appreciate a report. Have fun.

While we are at it, @askrere you should try slaving that RB into your rockmaster into the dually. Kind of defeats the purpose of the GK grind but it could be cool.

@ anyone, what is the pork loin based off? TS? Or H'what?

I have mad GAS for an Old Blood Noise Endeavors Darkstar. @mc_muench this may be of interest to you.


Have any of you guys listened to Tombs. Deceiver and The World is on Fire are two recent tunes that I just can't get enough of.
I don't think I can even name a prominent rock/metal bassist whose tone wasn't at all overdriven.

Also, yeah, the dudes you're in a band with are morons. I mean, it's nice to know the local venue owners/bookers/promoters, but unless you're only going to ever do home gigs, you can't expect to get paid every gig when playing metal. It just is not going to happen. Because when you roll up to an out of town gig, you are the outsiders. Maybe you know so and so back in your own town, but walking into the venue on a road gig, you are no one.

Additionally, money earned at gigs should go towards covering band expenses until all those expenses are paid. We have gotten paid at a few gigs. The money goes to lowering rent.

Lastly... unless he's going to the games in person, sports can be recorded and watched later (that way you can fast forward through commercials). Rehearsal can't always wait.

Also I'm sorry that your scene sounds like it's so... well, lacking.
 
I'm not even exaggerating. I'm trying to think of a well known bassist in a hard rock band or metal band whose sound is audible, but also clean. I can't name a single one.

I can't either. I doubt they could. I'd be absolutely blown away if they can't hear distorted bass under distorted guitar. Maybe they just think all the gain is from a guitar with the bass knob cranked.
 
So I daisy chained tuner > isp Decimator II > fabtone > amp

Was feedbacky as hell but played normal.

So I put the Decimator last before the amp and it was in all levels of cut the bass volume was tinny, tiny or totally absent. And 3/4 of the knows range just produced the worst shriek in my life that even with amps pre and post at zero still hurt my ears?? Is the Decimator messed up or am I using it wrong?

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Outside of that fabtone is still my best dirt lol. Anyone know an affordable business to get it rehoused?

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Yes. They are buddies with a lot of the local club owners and promoters that cater to rock and heavy music and have both been part of pretty successful local bands thus making said friends a buncha coin. Obviously that stance wouldn't function out of town. I honestly don't care about the money. $20-40 is cool but not enough for me to be salty over not putting it in my pocket. It grinds me that it is simply not discussed as if we weren't getting paid and then they keep the loot. If money is to be had, I want it. But if it isn't much I want it to contribute towards covering the next batch of CDs, merch, space rent, studio time etc...

Morons... With regard to the bass, yes absolutely. They are incredible at their instruments and great writers and they know what they can get away with regarding gigging.

As for practice vs. sports. Drummer is a huge blues fan. I get it. I like some sports as well. I don't even mind a cancelled practice if an important game is on at the same time as rehearsal. But if we have an upcoming gig; yeah... The sports game is always less important unless the Blues were to miraculously make it to the Cup. Then even I'd rather watch the game. Dude cancels practice for games, dates, "I'm not feeling it tonight" and other BS. That coupled with the fact that he doesn't want to haul the merch, doesn't like to practice long or often and always tries to borrow a kit so he doesn't have to move his makes me think this joker doesn't really want to be in a band. He just wants to gig and reap glory. All the blood, sweat and tears are not of interest.

****. The hard part is, as I've stated, that I love the music, like the guys as individuals and love gigging and generally playing with talented people.

St. Louis is such a poopie scene for metal outside of its upper echelon that I'd likely end up jamming half assed covers of Enter Sandman and Back in Black with a 30 year old guitarist in his moms basement playing out of a Crate 112 combo and no drummer. Or a drummer that can barely keep time with a basic beat and no guitarist. Or some kind of SRV cover band. The Midwest has some serious weakness

I'm going to stop being negative now. I've cooled off and want to discuss gear and sweet bands.

@Pelham Bleu you need to try the beta with a big boy tube amp slaved. This is your homework. We'd all appreciate a report. Have fun.

While we are at it, @askrere you should try slaving that RB into your rockmaster into the dually. Kind of defeats the purpose of the GK grind but it could be cool.

@ anyone, what is the pork loin based off? TS? Or H'what?

I have mad GAS for an Old Blood Noise Endeavors Darkstar. @mc_muench this may be of interest to you.


Have any of you guys listened to Tombs. Deceiver and The World is on Fire are two recent tunes that I just can't get enough of.

I'll try that tomorrow. can I use the 400rb direct out or effect out to run the rock master and then still use the gk as its own head?
 
Crappy phone pics:

Of the T-bird
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Of where the amp was (picture of the cab is a couple pages back) when we were recording
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Of the settings
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Of my Rickenbackers
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The other day I impulse bought a boss ODB-3 off reverb for $30(tech $42 shipped but still a good deal). I've only used one once and I remember thinking it sounded like poopie and then fiddling with the knobs for a few minutes and having a "wait just a minute now!" reaction. Those things are actually pretty cool. Anyway, it should arrive today. Also sold my Prolite yesterday. The buyer wants to be picky about who I ship with because Fedex is a 30 minute drive, "way out of his way". He also let me know he was off the next two days. Dude is in NY. I told him I'd be shipping with the most economic option. Lol if he thinks anything is getting from STL to NY in two days without next day or something.
 
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I never liked ODB-3's I tried in shops over the years, but bought on super cheap off Nick just to mess around with and instantly found a bunch of good tones with it. I have a very different philosophy on tone and gear now though. I tend to try to find the thing every piece of gear is suited to, as opposed to trying to make it sound a way I want. The thing I found that I really like with mine is that I can get my passive P to get a 2 band Stingray type tone.
 
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I never liked ODB-3's I tried in shops over the years, but bought on super cheap off Nick just to mess around with and instantly found a bunch of good tones with it. I have a very different philosophy on tone and gear now though. I tend to try to find the thing every piece of gear is suited to, as opposed to trying to make it sound a way I want. The thing I found that I really like with mine is that I can get my passive P to get a 2 band Stingray type tone.

What I remember from my enlightenment of the ODB-3 was that I could wrangle out that Tim Commerford grindy string Jazz sound out of a P bass. That abrasive overtone following the attack is probably my favorite aspect of bass tone period. That's why I like OCDs so much, with the tone set past 2 o clock it is very easy to get that clanky grinding attack.
 
The other day I impulse bought a boss ODB-3 off reverb for $30(tech $42 shipped but still a good deal). I've only used one once and I remember thinking it sounded like poopie and then fiddling with the knobs for a few minutes and having a "wait just a minute now!" reaction. Those things are actually pretty cool. Anyway, it should arrive today. Also sold my Prolite yesterday. The buyer wants to be picky about who I ship with because Fedex is a 30 minute drive, "way out of his way". He also let me know he was off the next two days. Dude is in NY. I told him I'd be shipping with the most economic option. Lol if he thinks anything is getting from STL to NY in two days without next day or something.

There's some seriously heavy tones hiding in the ODB3. You gotta tweak it, experiment, set the knobs in seemingly crazy settings, but there's some good stuff hiding in there.
 
You could always try to get Dunwich to make you a Fabclone?

That would probably take a long time if he could even do it with his schedule, and cost more than I'm wanting.

Just shoved in a Hammond box with metal jacks, pots and stomp switch to make it sturdier is all I need. I think @Pelham Bleu did something similar with a behringer pedal through some guy.

Also gotta figure out my isp Decimator issue to really run it without horrible noise. I'm not trying to be "obnoxious" or run multiple dirt pedals, I just want it to be quiet and run properly.

Edit: it's also my first pedal ever
 
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@askrere, I had my Behringer Bass Synthesizer modded into an old Kodak camera by a fellow out of WI called "Wrought Iron Leather and Effects." The project turned out really well. I don't use that pedal live, but it's fun for recordings.

Requisite pic:

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Oddly enough, today I'm sending in my beloved Sheehan OD to be rehoused, too.
 
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