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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

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the reason i don't recommend Sleep is because, to me at least, the bass does not really stand out in the mixes, and Al's tone is very guitar-like. I find it hard to distinguish between the bass and guitars
 
Please elucidate me. I am relatively old (65) but am curious: *** is Stoner/Doom?...is there a proto-typical doom/stoner band that could give me a clue?

As stated, Sabbath is the best example, with a touch of classic '70s Hawkwind added.

Stoner metal, to me, just sort of maintains that sleazy sort of throwback sound. It's more stereotypical silly in lyrics, lots of fantasy and drug references abound, but style of music it's akin to the classic '70s slower metal.

Doom takes your Sabbath sound and just ramps it up. Probably slower, definately "heavier."

I think like any broad form of music you're into, there's so many pigeon holes and bands that end up included because they're just part of the legacy. I mean, thinka bout what music you're a big fan of. Is it easy to pigeon hole it? "What's jazz?" could lead to ten thousand different artists, each one wildly different than the next and many of them only tangentially soundalikes, but they're all "jazz" to a serious jazz fan.

Hope this helps. :)
 
I wouldn't say there's a single prototype sound or tone. S/D is a (wide) music genre family more than a bass tone, and I think we in the group have different interpretations of what's included and what isn't. There are a range of tones used, across that spread, depending on the makeup and sound of the given band.

That being said, we all have personal heroes, both old and new.

As a 65'er you're no doubt familiar with Geezer, Mel Schacher, Felix Pappalardi, etc.
 
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Thanks, folks. The fact that there are 2208 pages discussing this stuff is really what piqued my curiousity.

Has Mel Schacher been popular all these years? His playing was burned into my brain as a result of hitch-hiking (Jesus, was it 47 years ago???) and being picked up by a few bikers in a step van. They were transporting a bike from Boise to Portland. The only entertainment was a single 8 track of, I think, the red Grand Funk album and a bottle of cheap, sweet wine laced with acid. The 8 track played over and over and over and over for approx. 400 miles. I don't know if I'd recommend it to anyone, but it certainly was an efficient way to learn the Grand funk aesthetic.
 
the reason i don't recommend Sleep is because, to me at least, the bass does not really stand out in the mixes, and Al's tone is very guitar-like. I find it hard to distinguish between the bass and guitars
Al sure has a lot of Rickenbackers witch blows my mind because of the settings he uses he actually hides most of the Ric tone. Kind of sad.
 
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Thanks, folks. The fact that there are 2208 pages discussing this stuff is really what piqued my curiousity.

Has Mel Schacher been popular all these years? His playing was burned into my brain as a result of hitch-hiking (Jesus, was it 47 years ago???) and being picked up by a few bikers in a step van. They were transporting a bike from Boise to Portland. The only entertainment was a single 8 track of, I think, the red Grand Funk album and a bottle of cheap, sweet wine laced with acid. The 8 track played over and over and over and over for approx. 400 miles. I don't know if I'd recommend it to anyone, but it certainly was an efficient way to learn the Grand funk aesthetic.
That sounds like a great time, and great wine drool
 
Dear All,

Please elucidate me. I am relatively old (65) but am curious: *** is Stoner/Doom? In my mind's ear I envision extended range basses, lots o' speakers (maybe a mixure of sealed 10s and ported 18s) and lots o' watts (tube-driven, maybe?). I am trying to figure out the sound - is there a proto-typical doom/stoner band that could give me a clue?

Thanks.
As noted by others on the thread that Sabbath's influence is a huge segway into Doom's existence. The band Windhand is one of my favorites, if you listen to the wall of detuned low end fuzz and distortion complimented by the singers soothing voice I think you may find an appreciation for the sound.....or not but if you like Sabbath than maybe. On another level of Doom you get into some very scary territory witch often turns a listener away just based on the vocals like the guy from Primitive Man, another great band. Its not for everybody but those of us who appreciate it are sure glad it exists.
 
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As noted by others on the thread that Sabbath's influence is a huge segway into Doom's existence. The band Windhand is one of my favorites, if you listen to the wall of detuned low end fuzz and distortion complimented by the singers soothing voice I think you may find an appreciation for the sound.....or not but if you like Sabbath than maybe. On another level of Doom you get into some very scary territory witch often turns a listener away just based on the vocals like the guy from Primitive Man, another great band. Its not for everybody but those of us who appreciate it are sure glad it exists.


You beat me to Windhand. Absolutely one of my favorites!
 
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