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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

I had this textual argument with a guy in his twenties not that long ago. He was of the belief that bands like Maiden, Priest, Sabbath and Zeppelin weren't ever "heavy metal" because they're not heavy like whatever weird ass Scandinavian face painter poopie he's been listening to for the last 10 years or whatever.

I argued only briefly, sometimes it's better to let people win even when they're wrong.
 
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I had this textual argument with a guy in his twenties not that long ago. He was of the belief that bands like Maiden, Priest, Sabbath and Zeppelin weren't ever "heavy metal" because they're not heavy like whatever weird ass Scandinavian face painter poopie he's been listening to for the last 10 years or whatever.

I argued only briefly, sometimes it's better to let people win even when they're wrong.


Yeah. I don't know why each successive generation needs to tear apart and reconstruct the last one. Following this trend, Meshuggah will only be "proto djent" in about 10 more years.

Same as it ever was...
 
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Esteemed fellows of the downtuned persuasion,

I'd appreciate your input on the following situation. I'm currently looking for ways to promote an upcoming full length by my two-piece band without having the option to fall back on a pre-existing, the local scene or any gigs to speak of. Which means, online only, since we're what I would consider a studio band.

My current plan is to send in the record to various review blogs and youtube channels. The whole thing will be available for free on Bandcamp anyway. So, here's a few questions for you:
- Can you recommend any blogs with a somewhat sizeable visitor base that take send-ins?
- Besides the mentioned Stoned Meadow, are there other genre-specific YT channels I could send our record to?
- Any message boards worth mentioning?
- I've never used social media for anything. What would the most viable outlet be? Without anyone to address specifically, that means a fanbase, I have no idea.
- Any other ideas are greatly appreciated!

What we do and why gigging is problematic: We're only two people. I compose all the songs and do most of the heavy lifting on all the instruments. My bandmate is a freelance musician that's new to the whole doom thing, and he has handled the occasional guitar track and the whole recording process so far. However, our arrangements would call for a lot more personell: at least a drummer, a second bassist, and either a pianist or a guitarist. There's no way two people can cover all the bases of a 5-piece live. And let me tell you, finding people that are into this stuff is hard! Especially because we're closer to downtuned prog than full-on stoner and doom. Which means tracks that are mostly carried by either the piano (like a classical jazz trio), or bass (think Talbot), odd meters, arrangements heavily influenced by jazz fusion and post-metal alike, and a generally minimalist aesthetic that occasionally devolves into ambient. This is nerd music. Think Bohren and the Club of Gore meet Hauschka, and both decide to record a doom LP together.

The only other band in the genre I know can't help us much, because they can barely decide how to play a song live. And for the next record, we're going down the path of a small jazz ensemble (~8-piece, with horn section). Which will make finding musicians infinitely harder still. But I'm not about to give up my musical visions to the harsh conditions an obscure band in the middle of nowhere faces.
 
Yeah. I don't know why each successive generation needs to tear apart and reconstruct the last one. Following this trend, Meshuggah will only be "proto djent" in about 10 more years.

Same as it ever was...
Every generation pisses off the one before them. This has been the case for thousands of years. I'm sure that Generation Z (the one currently in high school and entering college, after my generation, Millennials) will find some way to annoy me just as I annoy Gen Xers and Baby Boomers.

Esteemed fellows of the downtuned persuasion,

I'd appreciate your input on the following situation. I'm currently looking for ways to promote an upcoming full length by my two-piece band without having the option to fall back on a pre-existing, the local scene or any gigs to speak of. Which means, online only, since we're what I would consider a studio band.

My current plan is to send in the record to various review blogs and youtube channels. The whole thing will be available for free on Bandcamp anyway. So, here's a few questions for you:
- Can you recommend any blogs with a somewhat sizeable visitor base that take send-ins?
- Besides the mentioned Stoned Meadow, are there other genre-specific YT channels I could send our record to?
- Any message boards worth mentioning?
- I've never used social media for anything. What would the most viable outlet be? Without anyone to address specifically, that means a fanbase, I have no idea.
- Any other ideas are greatly appreciated!

What we do and why gigging is problematic: We're only two people. I compose all the songs and do most of the heavy lifting on all the instruments. My bandmate is a freelance musician that's new to the whole doom thing, and he has handled the occasional guitar track and the whole recording process so far. However, our arrangements would call for a lot more personell: at least a drummer, a second bassist, and either a pianist or a guitarist. There's no way two people can cover all the bases of a 5-piece live. And let me tell you, finding people that are into this stuff is hard! Especially because we're closer to downtuned prog than full-on stoner and doom. Which means tracks that are mostly carried by either the piano (like a classical jazz trio), or bass (think Talbot), odd meters, arrangements heavily influenced by jazz fusion and post-metal alike, and a generally minimalist aesthetic that occasionally devolves into ambient. This is nerd music. Think Bohren and the Club of Gore meet Hauschka, and both decide to record a doom LP together.

The only other band in the genre I know can't help us much, because they can barely decide how to play a song live. And for the next record, we're going down the path of a small jazz ensemble (~8-piece, with horn section). Which will make finding musicians infinitely harder still. But I'm not about to give up my musical visions to the harsh conditions an obscure band in the middle of nowhere faces.
The Sludgelord blog is a good one. All That Is Heavy and Invisible Oranges also.

I know you may be loathe to use social media, but if you're a band and you aren't on it, you may as well not exist.
 
Esteemed fellows of the downtuned persuasion,

I'd appreciate your input on the following situation. I'm currently looking for ways to promote an upcoming full length by my two-piece band without having the option to fall back on a pre-existing, the local scene or any gigs to speak of. Which means, online only, since we're what I would consider a studio band.

My current plan is to send in the record to various review blogs and youtube channels. The whole thing will be available for free on Bandcamp anyway. So, here's a few questions for you:
- Can you recommend any blogs with a somewhat sizeable visitor base that take send-ins?
- Besides the mentioned Stoned Meadow, are there other genre-specific YT channels I could send our record to?
- Any message boards worth mentioning?
- I've never used social media for anything. What would the most viable outlet be? Without anyone to address specifically, that means a fanbase, I have no idea.
- Any other ideas are greatly appreciated!

What we do and why gigging is problematic: We're only two people. I compose all the songs and do most of the heavy lifting on all the instruments. My bandmate is a freelance musician that's new to the whole doom thing, and he has handled the occasional guitar track and the whole recording process so far. However, our arrangements would call for a lot more personell: at least a drummer, a second bassist, and either a pianist or a guitarist. There's no way two people can cover all the bases of a 5-piece live. And let me tell you, finding people that are into this stuff is hard! Especially because we're closer to downtuned prog than full-on stoner and doom. Which means tracks that are mostly carried by either the piano (like a classical jazz trio), or bass (think Talbot), odd meters, arrangements heavily influenced by jazz fusion and post-metal alike, and a generally minimalist aesthetic that occasionally devolves into ambient. This is nerd music. Think Bohren and the Club of Gore meet Hauschka, and both decide to record a doom LP together.

The only other band in the genre I know can't help us much, because they can barely decide how to play a song live. And for the next record, we're going down the path of a small jazz ensemble (~8-piece, with horn section). Which will make finding musicians infinitely harder still. But I'm not about to give up my musical visions to the harsh conditions an obscure band in the middle of nowhere faces.


YouTube channels you can contact with decent followings:
The Bong Druid Of Mammoth Weed Mountain
[URL='https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrsFQhMK_pWyfrxYHnDDcpg']666MrDoom
[/URL]
[URL='https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrsFQhMK_pWyfrxYHnDDcpg'][/URL]


YouTube is a double-edged sword. The fact that people can listen to your music on YT means there is very little incentive for them to go to your bandcamp and actually purchase anything.


Blogs
newnoisemagazine.com
stonerhive
gbhbl.com
headbangerreviews.wordpress.com
thegrimtower.com
 
Yeah. I don't know why each successive generation needs to tear apart and reconstruct the last one. Following this trend, Meshuggah will only be "proto djent" in about 10 more years.

Same as it ever was...


all i know is that the conversation around the best bass for metal just got a whole lot more complicated.
 
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I think they've embraced by now that the entire heavy metal genre kinda considers them the founders.
I'm sure they have, but I'm equally sure that they still consider themselves "rock". Then again, my source for that is from an interview on their nigh twenty year old Reunion DVD, so maybe they've just given up and said "Yeah, fine, we're metal now."

Either way, I've always been the oddball who didn't think Zeppelin were "metal". Really, I'm not a Zep fan at all. They were hugely influential and all, and certainly influenced plenty of metal and other music, but they just never seemed metal themselves to me. Then again, most people don't put much stock in my opinions, so who cares what I think?
 
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I'm sure they have, but I'm equally sure that they still consider themselves "rock". Then again, my source for that is from an interview on their nigh twenty year old Reunion DVD, so maybe they've just given up and said "Yeah, fine, we're metal now."

Either way, I've always been the oddball who didn't think Zeppelin were "metal". Really, I'm not a Zep fan at all. They were hugely influential and all, and certainly influenced plenty of metal and other music, but they just never seemed metal themselves to me. Then again, most people don't put much stock in my opinions, so who cares what I think?
It's not oddball to think Zeppelin aren't metal. They weren't. Within the metal scene, that's really the broad consensus. Sabbath is generally considered the first metal band. Zeppelin and Purple are close but not quite there.
 
No, you are.

Seriously you've been trolling me a lot lately, it seems like.


i troll everyone.

but in all seriousness I've played Ps, Js, Stingrays, Rics, Thunderbirds, SGs even some active 6 strings. they all have their good qualities but if i had to choose 1 bass for the rest of my life it would be a P.

then again i don't play metal.
 
i troll everyone.

but in all seriousness I've played Ps, Js, Stingrays, Rics, Thunderbirds, SGs even some active 6 strings. they all have their good qualities but if i had to choose 1 bass for the rest of my life it would be a P.

then again i don't play metal.
Says the guy in the stoner doom thread. :p


Seriously, just my general observation that ten years ago, multi-string actives seemed to be all the rage in the metal scene, but are practically an endangered species now, judging from shows I've been to and played. Regular passive basses have made a comeback... and not sure if this is just a coincidence, but I've noticed a lot more mixes with clearly audible bass in recent years, both live and on albums.