Although Im not a real Led Zeppelin fan I have heard way too much of their stuff more than I have needed to but enough to say they are not Metal. They had a few songs that were powerful for their time but thats about it.
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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out
- Thread starter Korladis
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Exactly. Are you Sartori or Maureen M ?. Everytime I see your posting it is accompanied by "Maureen M said" and sometimes there is a posting by Maureen M with a different profile pic.......my head hurts.
I'm quoting her in my sig, because what she said is awesome.
First of all, thanks for the suggestions!
I'm not against using social media for band purposes, it's just that without an initial spark of exposure, people would hardly flock to our FB page for example I suppose. We will definitely set up some pages; Bandcamp is a given, FB, Instagram? Do people still use twitter for anything? At least we can cross Myspace off the list...
Re: people leeching music off YT. There's two reasons I don't consider this a bad thing for my band in particular. 1) Sooner or later, anything will be posted on YT whether you encourage it or not. Might as well throw ourselves right in. 2) We're not in it for the money and give away the record for free (digitally). People that really like us will visit our bandcamp, I'm sure. What matters to us primarily is that we don't just tuck away ourselves in a tiny corner of the internet, even if it is just a passion project with not stakes involved.
Why thank you. But I'm just a jerk that loves doom, like everyone else here.
Were all a bunch of Doom loving jerks here?........Why thank you. But I'm just a jerk that loves doom, like everyone else here.
Were all a bunch of Doom loving jerks here?........
Either that or we are all a bunch of jerk loving doomers if you catch my drift
Good to know, I have only ever listened to the first.
Thanks for the insight, I'll have to check it out!
What about Blue Cheer? In my opinion, I think why many of these bands were considered heavy metal was that they played much faster and way louder than many other bands at the time. My old man once told me that communication breakdown was by far the fastest and heaviest song ever when it came out. He would also say that how loud metal, thrash, stoner, and doom bands play is on par with zep, et al back in the day. Granted it could be a nostalgia spat, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.
Says the guy in the stoner doom thread.
Seriously, just my general observation that ten years ago, multi-string actives seemed to be all the rage in the metal scene, but are practically an endangered species now, judging from shows I've been to and played. Regular passive basses have made a comeback... and not sure if this is just a coincidence, but I've noticed a lot more mixes with clearly audible bass in recent years, both live and on albums.
I've noticed this too, much to my relief. Active basses are nice and convenient, but for some reason I almost always notice how they frequently don't stick out or fit in a mix well. Odd since you think you'd be able to adjust that on the fly to fit better...
Right on cue. I really didn't know that this was being released, like, now:
See, to me, fast and heavy are different things. And Sabbath were slower than many of their contemporaries. Infamously so (though of course they had Paranoid, which is a fast song, and a couple others, as well).
You would think so, but for some reason it doesn't work that way. Maybe with such a greater degree of control over the tone, it's also easier to screw it up?
I can't say I ever play an active (or most other basses) at a store that isn't either dead center in all pots, making it essentially passive (for an active), or everything cranked, making it a hissing, terrible mess. Most people don't know how to use an active tweak anything that makes sense. I've only really started doing it the last few years myself, so I'm just as guilty.
Personally I've been using active basses over passive for a long time now and wouldn't even consider going back. Although I admit there is an issue sometimes with the amount of controls I dumped my G&L L-2000 years ago because there were too many damn knobs and I kept forgetting which was which. For me I follow a lot of the guidelines that really long old thread here on Talkbass mentioned regarding EQing and setting up your rig if you guys remember that huge thread on death metal bass that talked about John Entwistle and Alex Webster's setups.
It mostly talked about EQ and setup I find that passive basses tend to sound better off the bat without tweaking because the high end to me isn't as strong so you get a nice high end rolloff which can make the distortion sound smoother especially for doom or very high distortion levels you can get obnoxious high frequencies/string noise/whatever. Dime the distortion, roll off the highs until string noise/shrillness under control but you have just a touch of highs on the attack, bump the low mids, and turn all tweeters off and you're good to go with actives. Maybe other people know more I'm definitely not an expert by any means but it works for me and I've gotten enough compliments from other bassists I've played with that I feel pretty comfortable in how my live setup sounds. Sadly I don't actually record any of my stuff with my actual live rig, I do a couple tracks of DI with multi amp or T21 pedals, or I'd post clips. I'm running a Fender 800 PRO @ 800 Watts into 2 Epifani PS115s.
It mostly talked about EQ and setup I find that passive basses tend to sound better off the bat without tweaking because the high end to me isn't as strong so you get a nice high end rolloff which can make the distortion sound smoother especially for doom or very high distortion levels you can get obnoxious high frequencies/string noise/whatever. Dime the distortion, roll off the highs until string noise/shrillness under control but you have just a touch of highs on the attack, bump the low mids, and turn all tweeters off and you're good to go with actives. Maybe other people know more I'm definitely not an expert by any means but it works for me and I've gotten enough compliments from other bassists I've played with that I feel pretty comfortable in how my live setup sounds. Sadly I don't actually record any of my stuff with my actual live rig, I do a couple tracks of DI with multi amp or T21 pedals, or I'd post clips. I'm running a Fender 800 PRO @ 800 Watts into 2 Epifani PS115s.
Regarding actives, I typically leave Bass and treble flat, bump mids slightly, and blend pickups to slightly favor the bridge. Gets a nice tone that has plenty of articulation and punch, but not lacking in lows. If I ever need a quick EQ adjustment, I just work with those few knobs in my bass and go. More often than not, it's a 1/4 inch turn or less and everything is good to go.
Random question - are there any FX Loop pedals that don't stack effects? Basically, I want a loop pedal with a separate switch for each effect, but that turns off the other loop when pressed so only one loop/dirt is active at a time. Ideally, it would have a second part with a loop or two for non-dirt applications that would stack on top of the dirt. Anything like this exist? It would really simplify my board.
That sounds like you're looking for a switcher like those massive Boss ones. You can hook up a ton of pedals and the program which pedals are on or off for each switch on the switcher. That way you can turn on and/or off multiple pedals with one step instead of a tap dance.
Here:
www.sweetwater.com
Looks like you can even pick out the pedal order.
I agree, I think that's probably why many people consider Sabbath to be the first heavy metal band.
I think you're right about the active basses too. As a generality, I think it's easier and arguably better with more simple tweaking options. Sure the ability of many parameter adjustments is awesome. But easier to ruin a good tone.
