well at least that was the most civil analog vs digital discussion i have ever seen
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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out
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well at least that was the most civil analog vs digital discussion i have ever seen
In regards to lyrics, it really depends on the band for me. Plenty of groups go for the shock value of offending some group or other, and it’s just old. (Like we’ve mentioned all of the tropes about doom recently.) For me, if a vocalist is intelligible, I’m much more interested in the lyrics. Not that I don’t enjoy some extreme vocal styles, and I have learned to understand some of the extreme vocalists, but typically only those that I know of have some sort of message (even if that message is sometimes trite).
Many times, I look at vocals as another instrument. If they’re heavily distorted, it’s tough to hear what “clean” originally sounded like. I feel like that obfuscates the meaning, and for me at least, leads me to believe the “message” isn’t important. (Sometimes, though, that can be the message!). In that way, sometimes the vocals are just a different timbre of instrument and are making their own melodies, rhythms, etc. and I can appreciate that approach too. (I think of black metal for this, as some of the raw stuff captures this vibe perfectly.) If vocals are intelligible, I’m much more likely to look into them and pay attention to their meaning and the message of the song as a whole.
TL;DR - Vocals are another instrument. Clean or distorted, both can have an important message or purpose in the song, regardless of whether or not people know the lyrics or even care to know the lyrics. I enjoy songs with meaning and purpose, regardless of vocal styles, and will learn lyrics to songs that are intelligible and meaningful to me.
Many times, I look at vocals as another instrument. If they’re heavily distorted, it’s tough to hear what “clean” originally sounded like. I feel like that obfuscates the meaning, and for me at least, leads me to believe the “message” isn’t important. (Sometimes, though, that can be the message!). In that way, sometimes the vocals are just a different timbre of instrument and are making their own melodies, rhythms, etc. and I can appreciate that approach too. (I think of black metal for this, as some of the raw stuff captures this vibe perfectly.) If vocals are intelligible, I’m much more likely to look into them and pay attention to their meaning and the message of the song as a whole.
TL;DR - Vocals are another instrument. Clean or distorted, both can have an important message or purpose in the song, regardless of whether or not people know the lyrics or even care to know the lyrics. I enjoy songs with meaning and purpose, regardless of vocal styles, and will learn lyrics to songs that are intelligible and meaningful to me.
I look at the vocals as an instrument all the time. Honestly I pay more attention to the sound of words/sentences rather than the overall "message". For example, most Melvins lyrics are (or seem) pretty much nonsense, but they sound cool as f**k. I love that "musical" approach to the wording. They don't really narrate or state anything, they are just evocative in a crazy, anarchic way and SOUND good. Possibly my favourite.
I believe bands with singers who aren't totally fluent in English sometimes have an advantage in this regard. They're free of proper grammar and being too lunguistically clever or meaningful. Like an "ignorance is bliss" kind of thing. Makes for cool vocal inflections too with the strange phrasing and accents.
It's more a theoretical advantage tho.
I am Italian and I can tell you: most bands here manage to write awfully rhetorical "try hard to be poetic" lyrics in a wrong, wrong, wrong English!! 
but unknowingly wrong, not because they "feel free"Not exactly what you'd expect, I fear.
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If you're referring to the Nacarat, it did feel like a score to an epic like Dune. Love that album.
I am. that's why we decided to put some lyrics to it. We were going for a Dune meets Mad Max and inspired by this book on oil geopolitics, Oil Kings.
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/1439155186/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_6MzJCb133EMTH
Hey dudes, I'm new here. I've been reading through this thread and found lots of great information.
As for the current topic, I can really appreciate some well thought out lyrics that have a message or purpose. But for me, it ultimately comes down to whether or not it sounds good. I would rather hear a band push it sonically then lyrically .
As for the current topic, I can really appreciate some well thought out lyrics that have a message or purpose. But for me, it ultimately comes down to whether or not it sounds good. I would rather hear a band push it sonically then lyrically .
I am at a weird crossroads in that I am trying to finalize my rig. Right now, I am trying to finish up a pedalboard. My prospective signal chain is:
Boss TU-2->Way Huge Pork Loin->Boss LS-2 Line Selector[not yet purchased]->[rest run in a blendable loop]EHX Small Stone-> Boss BF-2 Flanger->DIY Big Muff->DIY Univox Superfuzz->Mosky Black Rat->Dunlop Bass Wah Mini[also to be purchased at some point in the future]->
Amp: GK800RB
Cab: GK Neo 4x12
Main Bass: Fender 60s Jazz [MIM] with DiMarzio Model J's
I am planning on purchasing the MXR iso block as my cheapo one spot only runs 5 pedals.
I also need a pedalboard, looking at the gator large aluminum board (in green).
Thats a not insignificant outlay. Any advice? I've never ran a board this big, even in my guitar days. Any issues I should be aware of?
Boss TU-2->Way Huge Pork Loin->Boss LS-2 Line Selector[not yet purchased]->[rest run in a blendable loop]EHX Small Stone-> Boss BF-2 Flanger->DIY Big Muff->DIY Univox Superfuzz->Mosky Black Rat->Dunlop Bass Wah Mini[also to be purchased at some point in the future]->
Amp: GK800RB
Cab: GK Neo 4x12
Main Bass: Fender 60s Jazz [MIM] with DiMarzio Model J's
I am planning on purchasing the MXR iso block as my cheapo one spot only runs 5 pedals.
I also need a pedalboard, looking at the gator large aluminum board (in green).
Thats a not insignificant outlay. Any advice? I've never ran a board this big, even in my guitar days. Any issues I should be aware of?
I'm super clumsy, so the issue I had with a large, densely populated was missing the pedal switches, or hitting the wrong one. Think about organizing it so the ones you hit in the heat of the moment are at the bottom. Also, rehearse switching pedals as much as playing your songs.
Maybe I'm just a goof, but I have to think about stuff like that.
Also, maybe put tape on the pedals and mark your settings in case you kick the knobs, or they shift in transit.
Then I see stuff like this, and I think "hmmm, I could run just this thing with a modulation pedal or 2..."
You can add more pedals to the 1Spot with adaptors for something like $5-8 or so. My 1Spots (all 4 of them) all run between 10 and 15 pedals no problem. Cables can get messy, however, and that did lead to me having him issues a little while ago, but it was user error, and not a flaw in the 1Spot or any of my other gear. Just a thought if you don’t want to put down the cash for the MXR ISO-Brick.
Hey guys, long time no see, been in a no band limbo for most of the last year. I'm starting slowly a new project lately, still doom, but we're starting to incorporate other genres. There's definitely black metal, some Isis (mostly me channelling Jeff Caxide vibes) and probably lots of thrash metal as both guitarists are old metalheads.
Current rig:
Current rig:
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Holy $#!+
That is pretty crazy. I'd like a more comprehensive clean EQ, but that is an incredible drive. Kinda competes with the dUg bass head.
Man thats a beautiful space, I am mad jealous. The basement we practice in looks like a torture dungeon, floods when it rains and has so much dust on the floor it might as well be a dirt floor at this point. And it takes like a week to get that way.
Alright, I ordered the board and power. Went with a Blackbird 1224 and a Walrus Audio Aetos power supply.
I like the 1spot's and they do the job well, but it's very convenient and saves time for me setting up by having an isolated power supply. I've heard good things about WA's. Keep in mind that as long as you stay within the current output, you can daisy chain from each of the outputs on those supplies as well.
As far as a board, that looks great! I just made mine from some plywood. Nothing fancy but does the job. Not a great pic, but here it is:
That's exactly what I was thinking of! That's awesome!
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