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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Alright, any clips? I’m hesitant for fuzz on bass, because I find it such a personal effect, but love it when it works. A quick search found no bass clips.
Alas I have no way to record clips right now, but I can say that it’s a big, fat & loose sounding fuzz with pronounced treble but no loss of low end. Somewhat similar to a fuzz face? That’s what it’s based off of anyways. It reminds me a lot of the tones from the Scott Pilgrim movie honestly! All of the gain is located at the very end of the knob, and it gets a little bit gated at that point. It can be used to great effect as a dirty booster or stacked with other pedals to add a little of its own character! I’ve been considering getting a clone made in a 1590B just because I like the tone that much
 
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As I posted in a previous post I use a Behringer GDI21 in the California setting, which is a Tech 21 GT2 clone, followed by a graphic Eq that boost the low mids and mids slightly and cut the high mids and high frequencies slightly, then blended with some clean bass signal via my Boss LS-2.

And then, since I split my bass signal in 2 parallel effect paths, with one carrying my bass signal, and one running through an octaver pitching my bass signal up 1 octave, giving me the effect of something similar to playing a 10 string octave bass (that I tune 2 half steps up from E standard tuning to F# to D), just with the advantage of being able to run effects on the bass and octave signal separately, I run the octave signal through a Boss MT-2 Metal Zone, making for my overall distorted tone in conjunction to the GDI21 on my bass signal.

Neither of the 2 distorted signals actually really sounding very good alone, but together making for a seriously massive and muscular high gain killer distortion, while actually still maintaining really good definition, and not sounding the slightest muddy.

Here's a new sample of how my distortion setup sounds, as I changed it once again, in my opinion making it sound a lot better, and resulting in a seriously massive distortion, overall with a bit more gain than the sample I posted in a previous post, and sounding much more heavy and muscular (still a direct signal going from my 5 string Ibanez Mikro with it's 2 series wired stock J pickups, through my effects chains, into my amp, and then from the line out of my amp into my sound interface, without any further editing or additional effects, compressor or Eq added):
Dropbox - all I nil - New Distortion Sample.mp3 - Simplify your life

I also figured out a way to make the effect I use running a flanger on the bass signal and a phaser on the octave up signal sound clearer and cleaner, since it still sounded a bit muddy and dirty, even after I tuned my bass up from E to F#, this fix also giving me an overall better 1 octave up tone.

The thing is that I found out that there was a slight bit of a lower pitched signal coming from my Sub'n'Up Mini, even with only the octave up activated, so I made a Toneprint, using the app, with a low cut on the output signal of the 1 octave up effect at 90Hz, since my F#, as the lowest note possible on my bass, pitched an octave up is around 92Hz, and just to be sure there was nothing going on with the 1 octave and 2 octaves down effects interfering with my octave up signal, I also made a low cut at 20Khz on the output of those 2 effects.

This didn't alone result in the subtle low end signal mixing with my octave up signal totally disappearing, making my 1 octave up signal overall sounding much better, clearer and clearer, but also for some reason gave the octave up an insane amount of output volume, so I turned the octave up knob down quite a bit, and actually set it to a slightly lower output volume than it had before, since I got a guitar preamp last in that signal path that I can adjust the overall volume of the signal with, and that lower signal volume, together with the fact that there was now no sub octave signal going on in the background of my 1 octave up signal, resulted in my phaser pedal, that comes right after the octaver in the signal path, sounding much better, clearer and cleaner as well.
 
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Any cool new (or unknown old) dirt pedals you guys run these days? I’m currently GASless in life, and consequently, somewhat directionless. Not that I need anything since I’m not jamming or in any sort of group at all, but I’m trying to find a reason to play more often. Been quite a dry spell lately, and have been playing much more guitar (is Hour still barely any) than bass lately as I’ve taken a local kid in for guitar lessons.

For reference, I have and love dirt based on these circuits:
Muff
Rat
HM-2
Neve (Pork Loin)
Tubescreamer
GK “grind”
Superfuzz (Carcosa, right?)
DOD 250

I have other dirt, but feel this runs the gamut of “typical” dirt boxes. Let the recommendations begin! Thanks!

Also, if anyone has a lead on an Iceman bass or 7 string guitar, especially affordable, let me know. One of my dreams is a 7 string Iceman and Iceman bass. One of the few areas of GAS left for me.

If you like the rat and you havent tried an OCD circuit id recommend it. I recently got another fuzzrocious demon and have been really digging it
 
Any cool new (or unknown old) dirt pedals you guys run these days? I’m currently GASless in life, and consequently, somewhat directionless. Not that I need anything since I’m not jamming or in any sort of group at all, but I’m trying to find a reason to play more often. Been quite a dry spell lately, and have been playing much more guitar (is Hour still barely any) than bass lately as I’ve taken a local kid in for guitar lessons.

For reference, I have and love dirt based on these circuits:
Muff
Rat
HM-2
Neve (Pork Loin)
Tubescreamer
GK “grind”
Superfuzz (Carcosa, right?)
DOD 250

I have other dirt, but feel this runs the gamut of “typical” dirt boxes. Let the recommendations begin! Thanks!

Also, if anyone has a lead on an Iceman bass or 7 string guitar, especially affordable, let me know. One of my dreams is a 7 string Iceman and Iceman bass. One of the few areas of GAS left for me.
Interesting didn't know the loin was based on a neve. Huh, wonder if there are any other pedals that are?

I had a Digitech bad monkey which was great for loin-y like overdrive. No low end loss either.
 
I figure a lot of people in this group are playing the same kind of shows as I am, so I want to get some input on In Ear Monitors.
Every show I've played lately has had problems with us not always being able to hear each other. It isn't a "too loud" problem, it is not getting what we need in the monitors, or for the drummer there not being a monitor. It is making us think about IEMs, but I really don't know if they would work in our world: 4-5 metal bands playing bars and small clubs.
Do any of you make IEMs work as part of your rig?

my thoughts on IEMs after using them at church for about 5 years; they are great if you have a setup that doesn’t move. Like a church in its own building everything is in place you just plug in to your little mixer and you’re good. A cover band that brings their own PA where you can set everything up. Get all your base levels set at practice and just recall a preset.

the only way I see it working with an originals band playing shirt sets is where everyone is already going direct. If the guitars are using kempers or helixes and you can show up plug those in and give a LR off a mixer then yes. But if you’re not all onboard the sound guys around us don’t spend much time messing with someone’s in ears. Theirs a few bands who have tried it without much success. A good setup and ear buds are pretty costly too.
 
Once your band plays with IEMs live and in practice, you'll learn it's just another piece of gear. The IEM system gets set up just like anything else (in our case it was just another 1U addition to our rack) and is just like anything else, you dial it in, set and forget.
We went into our mixer, split off to our IEM system and fed FOH everything else they were expecting so that they would play with levels, etc. But, on stage, we always had the perfect mix in our ears.
Although we have retired from touring, we still use IEMs in the studio, not because we're old, lol ... but because of the ease and accuracy/clarity of hearing the mix :thumbsup:
 
Any cool new (or unknown old) dirt pedals you guys run these days?
got a couple fuzzes i still need to make demos of
i try to be a minimalist on my boards so i generally only have one dirt pedal each. guitar board has digitech hardwire overdrive (modified tubescreamer), bass board has the prototype of a home brew fuzz on it (have since made a second version that i like better)
whenever i see a boss/dod pedal for cheap on Craigslist i pick it up and mod it. have some pretty cool sounding metal zone, hyper metal, and super distortion
 
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I figure a lot of people in this group are playing the same kind of shows as I am, so I want to get some input on In Ear Monitors.
Every show I've played lately has had problems with us not always being able to hear each other. It isn't a "too loud" problem, it is not getting what we need in the monitors, or for the drummer there not being a monitor. It is making us think about IEMs, but I really don't know if they would work in our world: 4-5 metal bands playing bars and small clubs.
Do any of you make IEMs work as part of your rig?

We use an XR18 as our "rig". It runs our mixes to our ears/wedges (not all of us are on ears due to $$). We mic the kick, snare, toms, and run guitars/bass/vocals all through it too. Then we just personally mix how we want it to sound to us, and go from there.

As far as using it at a gig, if it's a gig where we bring our PA then we just run the main L/R outs for our PA. If the PA is already there, then we can use the XR18 to just provide our monitors while having a splitter for the signals from the mics/instruments.

edit: IEMs also help to keep stage volume down, and help with hearing. Although, I do recommend having like an ambiance mic if playing live, so that you can still somewhat hear what's going on while on stage. That way you're not "stuck in a bubble".
 
Agree. I just wear plugs, like I do for practice.
I'm not using them as hearing protection. I also use plugs for that. The problem is being able to hear the guitarist on the other side of the stage, or myself because the sound guy has the levels on my cab set for him, not me, and bass always sounds like rubbish through wedges.
It is very frustrating to spend a lot of time on gear and practice just to have a venue throw it all out the window.
 
Yeah thats the eternal struggle. We started bringing a monitor for our drummer because he can basically never hear anything. Then sometimes we fire the amps across the stage. Its been awhile since weve done a live show now. Im excited to start doing shows again then i remember the horrible sound issues.
 
i think maybe a philosophy change is needed? if I'm playing on a stage it's not so much for my enjoyment (although that is a wonderful byproduct) but for those who aren't on the stage, so as long as it sounds great through foh then it's a job well done (which is a good thing as i am hyper-critical of myself and if it's not perfect my entire day is ruined... most of the time nobody else noticed). if i wanted to just play for myself it's a lot easier to do that in my studio and then i don't even have to put on pants

i have used in ears in a church setting with zero stage volume (except for drums). took some getting used to but it's nice being able to tweak what i want to hear without the unproductive conversations between foh and the stage
 
I'm not using them as hearing protection. I also use plugs for that. The problem is being able to hear the guitarist on the other side of the stage, or myself because the sound guy has the levels on my cab set for him, not me, and bass always sounds like rubbish through wedges.
It is very frustrating to spend a lot of time on gear and practice just to have a venue throw it all out the window.

The main issue with that, is you get people who are fighting for their "space". So because the drummer is loud, the bassist turns up to hear himself, now the guitarist is going over the bassist and then the vocalist is trying to be heard, but now the bassist can't hear so... Now you're just fighting the loudness war, and that's when you have people wearing ear plugs to prevent themselves from going deaf.

You also get the situations where you're not playing with wedges, so it's impossible to hear the SL guitarist while playing on SR unless you point the amp across the stage so that everyone can hear it. The bassist can't be heard because, like your example said, his cab is turned down so that he's not running hot into the PA.

I'm not going to lie, setting up our rig took probably a few weeks and at least 1-2 gigs to "get right". But once you do it's show up, set the case down, plug into case, give a split to FOH, then play like normal. No sound check, no worrying about "can i get some more left guitar in my wedge?". You just let FOH worry about their sound and to you all, you sound exactly like you want every.single.time.
 
If you like the rat and you havent tried an OCD circuit id recommend it. I recently got another fuzzrocious demon and have been really digging it

I can’t seem to get along with OCDs. Had some Ultimate Drives and currently own an ODB, but I feel like I’m always fighting it. Never quite right sounding.

Interesting didn't know the loin was based on a neve. Huh, wonder if there are any other pedals that are?

I had a Digitech bad monkey which was great for loin-y like overdrive. No low end loss either.

I believe it was @johnk_10 who said the clean side was based on a Neve. Could be wrong, though, as I can’t remember entirely and I didn’t search it out for that feature - I learned it after I had one.
 
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Upon more testing from Castle Doom Laboratory, the Superfuzz wins the biamping showdown. I really like the hm300, but that superfuzz is just so supernasty, especially with a two amp clean/dirty setup. GK punches like hell when it can pump everything into the lows and low mids. The Tyler [superbass] loves pedals. Superbass + Superfuzz = Superhappiness.
 
in a few days we will have a reharsal space of our own! We used to share with another band but things didn't work out so well.
I can't wait to move and hang a 2x2 meters poster of this on the wall :smug:
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Nice, would be great to biamp. I've noticed some dirt pedals sound much better when the output is cranked, but that doesn't work so well if you're trying to punch it in and out. Biamping would solve that.

I can’t seem to get along with OCDs. Had some Ultimate Drives and currently own an ODB, but I feel like I’m always fighting it. Never quite right sounding.



I believe it was @johnk_10 who said the clean side was based on a Neve. Could be wrong, though, as I can’t remember entirely and I didn’t search it out for that feature - I learned it after I had one.

Spruce effects giganteum drive sounds great in videos. Haven't seen any bass, but I like what it has going. Been on the fence to put the cash down and try it.
 
Checking in for the first time. Been playing doom/stoner/sludge with a new project recently after a couple years out playing that style. Enjoying it immensely and forgot how fun this music is to play live.

Pretty basic rig: Jazz bass > TC Spark Booster > EHX Green Russian Muff > Mark Bass CMD121P.

The Mark Bass is used purely as a monitor on stage. Russian Muff sounds God like.

Was thinking of buying a five string so I don't have to downtune all the time - thoughts?