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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

I picked up bass a little over a year ago after graduating HS and realizing I needed a hobby now that I didn't have HS extracurricular activities. Music has always been a big part of my life and I'd known for quite some time that if I ever did pick up an instrument it'd be a bass guitar. I think that was primarily because John Paul Jones was always my favorite member of Led Zepp. But minus like 6 months of violin that I'd played in 2nd grade I had no experience with instruments. But at the beginning of my 2nd semester in college I was going crazy with the sheer lack of stuff I had to do so I got a used Ibanez TMB 100 and never looked back. It's safe to say that I fell in love because there's rarely a day since that I've been home and haven't picked up a bass.
 
Will do, this is right up my alley. Been meaning to get back into theory and picking my horn back up. Plus being able to essentially sequence out/compose a piece sounds way fun.

Here's one for everybody: did you play music in school and just end up playing bass on the side, or did you pick it up later or in another avenue in life?

Me, I somehow ended up on baritone after trumpet when I was 11ish. Soon after, when I started skateboarding I found an attraction to learning bass and guitar. I still played in band/jazz band through college. I have totally been slacking on staying brushed up on theory, but so much is ingrained and helps plenty on bass.
I didn't play at school. There were like 2 (decent music) drummers in the whole town, and I didn't feel like they would have chosen me as a bandmate. I was enough of a loser back then too. Never felt motivated to even try.
I started at 38 I believe, I can't remember anymore… After I moved to a bigger town BTW. For some reason I believed it would have been easier here (I was soooo wrong), and playing would have made my life happier or would have given me a reason. Lately I'm not convinced about it anymore. Maybe I'll just finish this record and then I'll quit for good. I just don't want to leave it unfinished 'cause it was a huge loss of time so better I'll have it finished at least.
 
I weirdly was just reminiscing earlier today about how I started playing bass. I've still got group text going with my first band (~20 or so years ago). Anyway, I always picked up bass lines when listening to music - like that's what i heard/felt the most for whatever reason. Had some old crappy guitar at our house and I would try to randomly play stuff by ear every once in a while. Then a buddy who was in a trio my freshman year of HS asked if I wanted to play bass. I said yes, but I didn't even own a bass let alone any other gear. We worked through one or two songs with me learning the notes on the EADG of an acoustic guitar. Next thing I know, I bought a cheap bass and was in a band. Had zero training - so I completely learned how to play by being in a band and playing by ear. I took lessons for a couple years down the line, but my theory fundamentals have sadly played backup to my ear. I should be brushing up more for the sake of being better at composing and notating stuff when needed...

Oddly enough, even though I had tons of experience and lessons in theory, (my teachers stressed it more than even my college profs) I lean way more on my ears. I have this weird sense of knowing where a melody or even rhythm is going to go somehow, even if it's something I've never heard. Idk. My band teachers always commented on how well my sight reading, recognition of melodies/rhythm and time were. Even to this day I always thought I was talented, but really mediocre at best as a player. Especially technically, I've always seen myself as a sloppy hack that just makes it work somehow, matches my slacker mentality I guess.

It's odd I know notes, and can still read a little, but I barely really know the fretboard or keyboard at a glance. I can figure it out quickly from knowing where C on keys and the open/5th fret of guitars, but really I just know where to go somehow.

I definitely don't memorize and rarely have. I always looked to what was next and the interval to it. Maybe it's the understanding of intervals and knowing how I want the line to feel. Ya know natural, dark and minor, pleasant/dissonant. It's probably just from being immersed in it for so long and unconsciously knowing what will or can work within chords and whatnot. This helped so much and I attribute most of it to jazz and the way the teachers taught us. I never knew the technical jargon and terminology, but inherently knew it just from doing it.

I first played drums, starting about the age of ten. My twin brother started piano about the same time. By about 15 I was playing a bassment band with HS buddies. My brother had switched to bass as a buddy had a guitar.

Once I heard Hendrix, around that same time, I got interested playing guitar. Of course, being the only kid in the circle of friends who had and could play drums got me roped into playing drums in a smartass punk band by senior year or so though I desperately wanted to play guitar.

That didn't last.

I frequented the 'Garage Rock'/Rock scene in Detroit in my early twenties and eventually put together a 5 piece band with me as one of 2 guitarists. We put a helluva work in over about a year to end up playing 2 gigs and imploding.

Got married, dabbled in guitar still, though I had some terrible luck with the housing/mortgage crash and had to sell off just about all the gear I had.

I started dabbling with recording 'experimental' stuff for my own enjoyment, probably 7-8 years ago. Borrowed an Epi Thunderbird bass from my bro, who hadn't touched his basses since leaving a sreamo band he had done a DIY tour with and leaving it behind for 'a real job'.

It immediately appealed to me and I realized oddly that I always really approached guitar like a bassist. Bass made so much more intuitive sense to me. Since my picking skills were sloppy as hell and I was listening to a lot of Steve Harris at the time, I decided to start ground up with fingerstyle. And I practiced bass like I never ever devoted myself to anything else. I was hooked.

About 2 years ago-ish I met our Guitarist and we started up my current band, adding our drummer in March 2019.

I think that's why I gravitated towards bass too. Though 5 years back I realized I played bass a lot like a rhythm guitarist. Riffs were what I do, they just hit me constantly. I have a whole library of spontaneous partial songs and riffs recorded on my phone.

I didn't play at school. There were like 2 (decent music) drummers in the whole town, and I didn't feel like they would have chosen me as a bandmate. I was enough of a loser back then too. Never felt motivated to even try.
I started at 38 I believe, I can't remember anymore… After I moved to a bigger town BTW. For some reason I believed it would have been easier here (I was soooo wrong), and playing would have made my life happier or would have given me a reason. Lately I'm not convinced about it anymore. Maybe I'll just finish this record and then I'll quit for good. I just don't want to leave it unfinished 'cause it was a huge loss of time so better I'll have it finished at least.

When the times got weird, playing music was the only thing that made sense. The feeling of playing, even with recorded music just feels so good. Don't give up on it.



Anyway, I noticed a lot of similarities from everyone and myself. I started out on bass because a friend of mine played guitar and I wanted to start a band with him. That and I thought I couldn't play chords worth poopie. We mostly just played together but I learned so much and started spending all my time between sports and school. Looking back, I did always notice I paid attention to the bass.

About that time I learned my uncle's played guitar and they started a yearly jamfest at their place. I often ended up playing the whole day. They mostly played blues and 70's rock. I jam with them here and there to this day besides doing the jamfest.

A year later I joined a punk band that played a lot of misfits. We were off and on all hs, while also joining a few hardcore and a screamo bands for a short bit. In college I kept jamming with my friends and family but didn't play much. College sports are like having a second job. I think I kept the rust off by still being in band and jazz band.

Then right out of college my drummer buddy asked if I wanted to be in a metal band. Joined them, and that's how I found out about stoner metal. Been hooked since. Before that I only knew of monster magnet and Fu Manchu. After that band blew up, me and my buddy started a heavy psych/garage rock/jam band and been on and off since.

One thing I think I never would have learned without band, moreso jazz, was listening to everything all together. Being able to notice every little part and how they compliment and where to fit stuff. Being able to pick out parts and working with them on the fly is something I don't think I ever would have noticed myself. Took lots of training and is so surreal. That locking in is so huge, when it lines up just blows my mind.
 
Oddly enough, even though I had tons of experience and lessons in theory, (my teachers stressed it more than even my college profs) I lean way more on my ears. I have this weird sense of knowing where a melody or even rhythm is going to go somehow, even if it's something I've never heard. Idk. My band teachers always commented on how well my sight reading, recognition of melodies/rhythm and time were. Even to this day I always thought I was talented, but really mediocre at best as a player. Especially technically, I've always seen myself as a sloppy hack that just makes it work somehow, matches my slacker mentality I guess.

It's odd I know notes, and can still read a little, but I barely really know the fretboard or keyboard at a glance. I can figure it out quickly from knowing where C on keys and the open/5th fret of guitars, but really I just know where to go somehow.

I definitely don't memorize and rarely have. I always looked to what was next and the interval to it. Maybe it's the understanding of intervals and knowing how I want the line to feel. Ya know natural, dark and minor, pleasant/dissonant. It's probably just from being immersed in it for so long and unconsciously knowing what will or can work within chords and whatnot. This helped so much and I attribute most of it to jazz and the way the teachers taught us. I never knew the technical jargon and terminology, but inherently knew it just from doing it.

Yeah, I definitely align with that. I think I was better at creating harmonies/writing chordal stuff more quickly when I was taking lessons and focusing on theory. That said, there's definitely a level of experience, repetition, intuition, and feel that I lean on much more now - and it's how I learned to play. So it's not a shocker that those traits are the most ingrained part of my playing now that the theoretical study has tapered off.

One thing I think I never would have learned without band, moreso jazz, was listening to everything all together. Being able to notice every little part and how they compliment and where to fit stuff. Being able to pick out parts and working with them on the fly is something I don't think I ever would have noticed myself. Took lots of training and is so surreal. That locking in is so huge, when it lines up just blows my mind.

This resonates with me a ton, but with my affinity for jambands, fusion, and more improvised music when I started playing. My first band was sort of a faux jam/funk band. So, even for a bunch of kids that were just figuring stuff out, we pushed to compose as a band and set ourselves up to improvise as well as we could within loose structures. I just kind of advanced that course through HS and into college with more refinement, diversity, and tightness in bands that followed. All that said, it made me way more able to walk into situations and 'hang' with people - at least that's what I gather from the experiences and talking to the other musicians after the fact.
 
Heh, I started out playing guitar, to be honest. Well, violin before that, and couldn't walk by a piano without beig annoying. By the time I was 12, I realized that nobody played bass that I knew, and I already knew several folks who were better at guitar than I was. Plus, I liked the bass parts. That was often where the song was at. So, the next few instruments I bought used with my lawn mowing money were basses. I actually took lessons until the instructor said "Look, it's obvious you're playing bass all the time, but you're barely playing the stuff I'm asking you to play. Let's stop wasting your money."

I always gravitated toward distorted/fuzzy sounds. So Sabbath, Zepplin and the bazillion bands they inspired always were right in my lane. I remember hearing St. Vitus as a kid and thinking "Yeah, it'd be awesome to be in a band that sounded like Sabbath", so when I found anything that sounded remotely like them or the other bands that worked in that vein, I was happy. When I got into bands in my late teens and college years (mostly punk/art rock), I was usually drafted to be the guitarist in the end, since I knew how to play better than the other guitarists, and we always seemed to always have a better bass player than I was ready to join. As I went on and got into better bands and became a better bass player, that became less common, and I got to be the bass player more often. The last two bands I've been in I've been the bass player, and there's been no attempt to draft me for guitar. :D

@oZZma : Don't give up on it entirely, even if you stop for awhile. I've taken a couple of five year breaks from being in bands over the years, but I kept playing for myself. Just like business or friendship, a good band is work, and any one worth doing is going to be a little exhausting. But, push this stone over the hill if ya can. Even if you do, you can roll another one up to the bottom of the hill later if you feel like it.

My band's been working on the same record for a year and a half+. The drummer and I finished our tracks in Oct 2018 (still proud of getting just about everything on the first take when we listen :D) , and then a whole bunch of things got in the way and we got distracted. Vocals are just about done, I did my backing vocals last night and we got rough mixes of them today. I'm pretty happy with the whole damn thing, even though we're really just a rock n' roll band, not too much stoner/doom. So, we've got a few additional instruments to add (we're actually adding a saxophone (THE DEVIL'S HORN) solo to one song), then maybe a vocal re-do or three, and then mixdown and mastering, and pressing. I bet it'll be out by Christmas 2021.

So, maybe it's inspired by this:



But it'll probably be more like this:

 
anyone here use hookpad at all?

Gave it a quick try tonight. My evaluation is that it seems a bit too rigid for metal as I write it. Not huge on having to click through several options just to turn a chord into a power chord, and scales aren't flexible at all. While it does seem very nice to work with for more traditional western music, I'd prefer something more agile for just sketching ideas, and something more flexible for writing up full tunes. I don't think it's something I'll be able to fit into my workflow and that is rather unfortunate because it seems like a great tool. Still, I'll keep it in my arsenal for other projects to come, so thank you for the great recommendation! :)
 
Echo....echo....echo....echo.
Cool it with the delay, your tone is muddy as heck.


In other news, I'm dead set on starting with cello in July. Just need confirmation from the rental shop. Gonna try to find a teacher to learn with over my vacation. New flat is still a mess but things are mostly in place now :)
 
So I’ve liked the sound of rats and other hard clipping dirt set to low, OD-type gain levels. That’s usually a problem since most of the demand for rat pedals is for pedals with gobs and gobs of gain. I just picked this bad boy up though, both for the pedal and the charity, and so far I’m really digging it hard: SolidGoldFX Beta DLX LM308 - 100% Proceeds Donated to BLM | SolidGoldFX | Reverb

Having that trimpot inside to adjust the range of the gain knob downward is huge for me. So far I like putting the boost before the dirt and using it as a second higher gain channel, but I expect I’ll experiment with putting it after and using it as a bass boost too. Pretty sick.
 
Guys… I'm so happy we didn't leave our reharsal space yet.
This morning my boss told us that "maybe" we will have some work shortly. It will not be enough for the company to immediately go back to normal but his intention is to have it shared among all employees with a turnover, so that everyone can be involved and restart to earn something. He's a fairly decent person after all.

I have been in such anguish lately, I couldn't sleep. I hope these good news will be be confirmed in the next few weeks… Fingers crossed.
Those who already lost their jobs, I don't know what will they do. In Italy it's been an utter disaster. I don't even want to think how difficult would be now to find another job now. Really don't even want to think about it. The years when I was looking for a job are still my worst nightmare.

On a sidenote, these days we are putting all out efforts to have a track recorded to be released in a compilation for a fundriser. I'm excited but so f.ing nervous, and exhausted. It would be my very first release ever. I feel so insecure. I would have delayed this moment forever.
 
So I’ve liked the sound of rats and other hard clipping dirt set to low, OD-type gain levels. That’s usually a problem since most of the demand for rat pedals is for pedals with gobs and gobs of gain. I just picked this bad boy up though, both for the pedal and the charity, and so far I’m really digging it hard: SolidGoldFX Beta DLX LM308 - 100% Proceeds Donated to BLM | SolidGoldFX | Reverb

Having that trimpot inside to adjust the range of the gain knob downward is huge for me. So far I like putting the boost before the dirt and using it as a second higher gain channel, but I expect I’ll experiment with putting it after and using it as a bass boost too. Pretty sick.
Don’t know the pedal you bought, but the Iron Pig can do pretty much any Rat tone. Haven’t tried low gain, but don’t see why not with all the diode options and clean blend.
 
Don’t know the pedal you bought, but the Iron Pig can do pretty much any Rat tone. Haven’t tried low gain, but don’t see why not with all the diode options and clean blend.

I have an Iron Pig, it's a great pedal and it does work pretty well for that sound. IMO the SolidGoldFX does it better, though. You can't really go wrong with either pedal.
 
Just got a great deal on a Traynor TS-50B.

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