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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

After a delay from the insane weather down south, 1st Idiotbox mystery effect showed up. Never knew a phaser could sound this good without even any gain.
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Double phaser (series I think) but one seems to shift through the stages like a sample and hold filter would and width seems to adjust the step changes from glide to S&H hard shifts. But also adjusts the depth of the other as well. Each phaser has different range of speed. Oh big plus, can boost output past unity!

Is it based on the EHX Micro Synth? I already have 2 Bass Micro Synths, one original and a reissue. Kinda have a love/hate thing with em.

I don't think it's from the micro synth but I don't know EHX well at all. It's got an envelope, phaser, sub oct, and fuzz. Was the original micro synth housed in a cardboard enclosure?
 
All I remember about it is that its tuned for bass. I haven't tried it against a 71 yet, but I compared it to the newest SC and mine def is tuned for more low end and less high end treble.

Im also borrowing an electrofoods nepentheses atm from a good friend. It's supposed to be one of the better rat variants. I'm afraid to plug it in...
Dang it. That sounds like exactly what I wanted in the SC for bass. The original was just too trebly for my taste, without the Pharaoh's heft. The SC '71 was theoretically my solution for that, but it still didn't beat the Pharaoh. It's much closer on guitar, and the SC is easier to tweak on guitar, but still not quite as good as the Pharaoh Supreme.
 
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Dang it. That sounds like exactly what I wanted in the SC for bass. The original was just too trebly for my taste, without the Pharaoh's heft. The SC '71 was theoretically my solution for that, but it still didn't beat the Pharaoh. It's much closer on guitar, and the SC is easier to tweak on guitar, but still not quite as good as the Pharaoh Supreme.

fwiw it's verrrrry close to the pharoah that I had for a little bit.
 
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Is there any grit/drive in it?
I just tried cranking the gain and it does get a bit gritty. I wasn't using any drive pedals or the like in front of it. On its own it got a nice amount of grit...enough to be noticeable but not too crazy. I can try messing with it some more, including putting some drive pedals in front of it, if you're curious. Heck, give me the weekend and I could even record some samples for you (of course you'd have to try to listen past my terrible playing).
 
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Hey guys I got the Behringer superfuzz a couple weeks ago. I know a few of you guys have it so I was wondering if you guys experienced the noise gate type thing that mine does. It seems like if I don't sustain the note just right the effect just kind of cuts off like a noise gate. Is this a common occurrence and is there any way to remedy this?

Not too bent out if shape about it, it is a $30 pedal. Outside of that I really dig the tones, I can definitely hear Electric Wizard in fuzz 2. I keep it on fuzz 1 typically though because I feel like it keeps more low end, but I'd like to hear what settings y'all keep it on.

I was moving and all of my stuff was in boxes when you posted this. I dug my SF300 out of a box last night and tested it to be sure. Mine does not do this, it gives a nice even decay and doesn't get gated when the signal level drops. I've had other SF clones that do, buy my SF300 doesn't do it.

You guys already answered it but yeah Ashdown made some pretty slick stuff. A look through their discontined stuff shows some out their design ideas. Can't wait to see where they go with their stubby tube amp line.

I actually kind of dislike the sound of my Ashdown 4x10. It's not bad, but it doesn't sound good either. For all of its faults, I haven't been able to make it sound any worse with abuse. So, I haven't gotten rid of it.


Dead Sara's one of my favs. That girl can belt, and GD can she wail like no other! Almost reminds me of Joe Crocker with how her voice can be gravelly.

She doesn't have a bad voice at all. Though, a quick run through their tracks makes me think their later producers are throwing distortion on the vocals. I'm kind of in a love/hate relationship with that. I like it sometimes, and sometimes I love it. But I always know it's an effect, and it colors my enjoyment of it. It's my problem, and I need to figure it out and get over it.

IMO males are as prone to cheesiness as females...
I dig Kim Gordon's singing style, most of my favourite songs by Sonic Youth are singed by her. How does this woman manage to be so monotonous and emotional at the same time? :yawn:
Or Nico, or Lydia Lunch! View attachment 4192734

Oh my, I knew that I expressed that poorly as soon as I posted it, but was too lazy to edit it. I didn't mean to imply that males were less cheesy. I still think all of Pearl Jam sounds like a beer commercial because of Eddie Vedder. Obviously, a great deal of the record buying public disagrees. So it goes.

Monotone? All over the place? I don't care, but make it something that sounds like you tried, and enjoyed yourself. Kim Gordon certainly fits that bill (and SY is probably my favorite band, and I'm related to Kim, so no argument there :D ).

One of my favorite performances of hers is Brother James. It just murders me. The version on The Year Punk Broke is it. Plus, she's all kickin' a-dollarsign-dollarsign with a BC Rich or T-bird ('scuse me while I watch it 2-3 times in a row).




But the most exalted potentate of monotone is Mark E. Smith, in my book. That man seemed more expressive when he didn't change pitch. Doesn't even matter if you have any idea what he's saying.



This used not to bother me. But it's different now that I'm dipping my toes into lead singing. I change lyrics up in order to get closer so something I could've said myself.

Hehehe, that's a good trick for lyrics you aren't fond of. I'm kind of oblivious when it comes to lyrics for the first 10-20 listens, unless you're just beating me over the head with repetition - and sometimes not even then. Mr. Smith sure knew the value of repetition, but I've still got only the barest idea of what most Fall songs are about.

So, as a result of my obliviousness, I've run into many situations where I might be playing the song for the 20th time, and I realize "Dang, THAT'S WHAT THIS SONG IS ABOUT? That's creepy, and I've been playing this song in front of crowds for awhile." And as a result of that, I kind of treasure songs with lyrics that I'm never going to figure out with a lot of backstory (and the more I think about what that backstory might be, the less I want to know about it). That's the kind of thing I try to shoot for in my own lyrics these days. I still think the undisputed heavyweight champion of that (and probably unique vocal delivery, too) is probably David Yow, but I'm probably biased by being a Texan of a certain age.

 
After a delay from the insane weather down south, 1st Idiotbox mystery effect showed up. Never knew a phaser could sound this good without even any gain.
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Double phaser (series I think) but one seems to shift through the stages like a sample and hold filter would and width seems to adjust the step changes from glide to S&H hard shifts. But also adjusts the depth of the other as well. Each phaser has different range of speed. Oh big plus, can boost output past unity!



I don't think it's from the micro synth but I don't know EHX well at all. It's got an envelope, phaser, sub oct, and fuzz. Was the original micro synth housed in a cardboard enclosure?

Hahhahaa! I haven't gotten mine yet. Sounds delicious, and now I want a double jalapeño cheeseburger!
 
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Hahhahaa! I haven't gotten mine yet. Sounds delicious, and now I want a double jalapeño cheeseburger!

Yeah turning the width up and toying with the speeds I got a sweet almost sample and hold shifting mixed in with the phasing. It can get real chewey and great sounding throughout almost all the knob ranges. I really dig the pedal, and somehow now I'm likely going to end up with 3 phasers on my board...

I was moving and all of my stuff was in boxes when you posted this. I dug my SF300 out of a box last night and tested it to be sure. Mine does not do this, it gives a nice even decay and doesn't get gated when the signal level drops. I've had other SF clones that do, buy my SF300 doesn't do it.



I actually kind of dislike the sound of my Ashdown 4x10. It's not bad, but it doesn't sound good either. For all of its faults, I haven't been able to make it sound any worse with abuse. So, I haven't gotten rid of it.




She doesn't have a bad voice at all. Though, a quick run through their tracks makes me think their later producers are throwing distortion on the vocals. I'm kind of in a love/hate relationship with that. I like it sometimes, and sometimes I love it. But I always know it's an effect, and it colors my enjoyment of it. It's my problem, and I need to figure it out and get over it.



Oh my, I knew that I expressed that poorly as soon as I posted it, but was too lazy to edit it. I didn't mean to imply that males were less cheesy. I still think all of Pearl Jam sounds like a beer commercial because of Eddie Vedder. Obviously, a great deal of the record buying public disagrees. So it goes.

Monotone? All over the place? I don't care, but make it something that sounds like you tried, and enjoyed yourself. Kim Gordon certainly fits that bill (and SY is probably my favorite band, and I'm related to Kim, so no argument there :D ).

One of my favorite performances of hers is Brother James. It just murders me. The version on The Year Punk Broke is it. Plus, she's all kickin' a-dollarsign-dollarsign with a BC Rich or T-bird ('scuse me while I watch it 2-3 times in a row).




But the most exalted potentate of monotone is Mark E. Smith, in my book. That man seemed more expressive when he didn't change pitch. Doesn't even matter if you have any idea what he's saying.





Hehehe, that's a good trick for lyrics you aren't fond of. I'm kind of oblivious when it comes to lyrics for the first 10-20 listens, unless you're just beating me over the head with repetition - and sometimes not even then. Mr. Smith sure knew the value of repetition, but I've still got only the barest idea of what most Fall songs are about.

So, as a result of my obliviousness, I've run into many situations where I might be playing the song for the 20th time, and I realize "Dang, THAT'S WHAT THIS SONG IS ABOUT? That's creepy, and I've been playing this song in front of crowds for awhile." And as a result of that, I kind of treasure songs with lyrics that I'm never going to figure out with a lot of backstory (and the more I think about what that backstory might be, the less I want to know about it). That's the kind of thing I try to shoot for in my own lyrics these days. I still think the undisputed heavyweight champion of that (and probably unique vocal delivery, too) is probably David Yow, but I'm probably biased by being a Texan of a certain age.



Is that 410 you have one of the red grills or black with blue drivers? I've never heard or tried one of the red grilled ones. Hell I've never used any of their cabs but a couple guys on the scene in Lansing always told me how much they loved their cabs (black grill ones) since I was the only other that used anything Ashdown.

And about Dead Sara, I could see the distortion being used. Though if you check some of their live stuff, I recall her getting pretty much there anyway. They do some killer covers of RATM. Eitherway love their stuff.
 
I just tried cranking the gain and it does get a bit gritty. I wasn't using any drive pedals or the like in front of it. On its own it got a nice amount of grit...enough to be noticeable but not too crazy. I can try messing with it some more, including putting some drive pedals in front of it, if you're curious. Heck, give me the weekend and I could even record some samples for you (of course you'd have to try to listen past my terrible playing).
I'd agree it has some grit. It shines with pedals though. Has a lot of heft in the sound.
 
Is that 410 you have one of the red grills or black with blue drivers? I've never heard or tried one of the red grilled ones. Hell I've never used any of their cabs but a couple guys on the scene in Lansing always told me how much they loved their cabs (black grill ones) since I was the only other that used anything Ashdown.

It's a RM-410T w/black grille cloth and drivers. It's one of the least expensive ones they made, and discontinued now.
 
After a delay from the insane weather down south, 1st Idiotbox mystery effect showed up. Never knew a phaser could sound this good without even any gain.
View attachment 4197512

Double phaser (series I think) but one seems to shift through the stages like a sample and hold filter would and width seems to adjust the step changes from glide to S&H hard shifts. But also adjusts the depth of the other as well. Each phaser has different range of speed. Oh big plus, can boost output past unity!



I don't think it's from the micro synth but I don't know EHX well at all. It's got an envelope, phaser, sub oct, and fuzz. Was the original micro synth housed in a cardboard enclosure?

So are these mystery pedals just one-offs?
 
I still think all of Pearl Jam sounds like a beer commercial because of Eddie Vedder.
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
Sooooo accurate! :smug:
I would have found their music uninteresting in any case but wow.

Monotone? All over the place? I don't care, but make it something that sounds like you tried, and enjoyed yourself. Kim Gordon certainly fits that bill (and SY is probably my favorite band, and I'm related to Kim, so no argument there :D ).
How are you related to Kim Gordon? :nailbiting:

But the most exalted potentate of monotone is Mark E. Smith, in my book. That man seemed more expressive when he didn't change pitch. Doesn't even matter if you have any idea what he's saying.


Agreed! He was awesome. And a major influence to SY
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Oh, and I agreed on David Yow as well.
 
I'm a big PJ fan, the timbre of his voice can be pretty tough to listen to for many. I think if grunge didn't explode and a ton of singers tried to copy him (though I don't think he was the first), I think he wouldn't be ragged on as much. I guess I'm not some mega fan, don't listen to em all the time (or much the last few years), but they were instrumental in my formative years playing bass and writing songs.

"Blood" though he just kills it, whether you like his singing or not.

It's a RM-410T w/black grille cloth and drivers. It's one of the least expensive ones they made, and discontinued now.

Ahh, yeah never heard one of those. My buddy had the one with the blue cones.

So are these mystery pedals just one-offs?

I think they may be, I know previously he had rehashed old ideas during some runs, but this year he said they should be all new designs. I'd give him a shout, he may be able to throw together a custom one (likely without the nice enclosure). At the very least he's quick to respond and great to chat with. He even states something like "I run this loosey goosey."
 
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So are these mystery pedals just one-offs?

For the most part, yes. If you don't get one as part of the club, then you'll probably have to pick one up used if you want one. The one that I know broke that habit and made it into regular rotation was the Redrum. I've got the entire first series now, and a couple of the earlier mystery pedals that predate the club. They're all cool, and worth the price I spent for them, even if they're not always the kind of pedal you can use with every band.

How are you related to Kim Gordon?

She is my dad's first cousin. I came into the kitchen one day just in time to hear my mom ask my dad "Do you know who I'm talking about when I say Kim Gordon?" I laughed and said "Yeah, the bass player for Sonic Youth." My mom pointed to me and said "You're right", then she turned to my dad and said "She's your cousin, she's 40 and she's pregnant."

I was very surprised to have that conversation, since they occupied about a quarter of my music listening at the time.
 
I'm a big PJ fan, the timbre of his voice can be pretty tough to listen to for many. I think if grunge didn't explode and a ton of singers tried to copy him (though I don't think he was the first), I think he wouldn't be ragged on as much.

Well, I don't mean to rag on him, really. But this actually happened:

I'm listening to the radio in the early 90's, and I'm repeatedly hearing this absurdly long, triumphant as hell Amstel Light commercial over and over again (yes, you already know where this is going). I can switch away to another station, hear the second half of a song, and when I come back, the Amstel Light commercial is still playing. Annoying as hell, and it's getting played at least once an hour. I eventually figure out that this commercial has a quiet part, and a motherscratching guitar solo. Advertising rates on KDGE must be cheap!

Eventually I hear this same commercial while my little brother is watching MTV. Only it's not a commercial, it's the video for Alive, by Pearl Jam.

Which in the end means that there's nothing wrong with his voice, really. Heck, I thought he was professional and just sang really throatily. It's that I didn't grab the correct context at all when I heard it the first twenty times, I don't listen to lyrics closely enough, and by the time I got the correct context I was already ruined for it. It wouldn't have been my thing anyway, but I wouldn't have the silly association involving beer commercials without my own foibles driving me there.
 
To give some context of my own, this is what beer commercials often sounded like in my formative years:



To tie that into the whole stoner/doom thing again, this classic is covered in Desperate Teenage Lovedolls (queued up here, I don't advise watching it at work)


As I mentioned, the rest of the movie is probably NSFW, my memory is hazy. I do recall that it has the following dialogue:
"Thanks for killing my mom!"
"Hey! No problem!"

So, at a minimum, your employer may not understand you watching this at work. But it's fun, and it has Steve McDonald!
I've posted What They Say before, I think. So I'll post Redd Kross' cover of Savior Machine because he rocks that song.
 
I'm a big PJ fan, the timbre of his voice can be pretty tough to listen to for many. I think if grunge didn't explode and a ton of singers tried to copy him (though I don't think he was the first), I think he wouldn't be ragged on as much. I guess I'm not some mega fan, don't listen to em all the time (or much the last few years), but they were instrumental in my formative years playing bass and writing songs.

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When the whole grunge thing exploded I was in high school and at the time I was all for Nirvana and Alice in Chains. Their music and lyrics resonated with my angst :smug:
And as far as vocals go, the tortured singing of Kurt Cobain or Layne Staley is still on my favorites list.
Pearl Jam... much more reassuring, I'd say even radio-friendly. Not for me.
 
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