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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

I went way too deep on a pedal binge, time for a purge. I've been too much of a sucker for deals, gotta start backing down. The last few in have been really impressive though:
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The Black Ash will probably go. It's amazing on bass, but that RCO clone is so close it's not totally worth keeping an original. The price was low enough it was worth it to see how alike 2 of them are. Haven't even had a chance to play it yet.

The Purple Platypus was a real surprise, lower gain is real touch sensitive and you can get a lot of synthy, ring mod type sounds out of the octave. Lot of fun. I didn't pay attention to whether lows were lost, but certainly fun. Probably going to move it along, couldn't pass up when some retailer put em on sale for less than used ones are going for...

The SD-2 is the real sleeper. Wooh, first Boss pedal in over 15 years! Yes it cuts some low end, yes it's similar to an SD-1, but it's so much better. First off, having it set up with different modes is cool, but the remote option is genius. Way ahead of their time again. Again this one was a bit of a steal, it's damn near flawless cosmetically. I got this because it sounded like this is the dirt pedal to get if you're not really into Boss's std dirt offerings. Supposedly it's better. Eitherway switching back and forth from one to the other was awesome.

The low gain is way better than the SD-1 and bass OD's of theirs I've tried. Was smooth but had bite when digging in and better dynamics overall. Solid is how I'd describe it. When lightly palm muting it brought out a lot of lows and low mids.

The lead though was sick! Had some great mid grind that should cut through a mix no problem. Tons of bite if you need and can easily get that nice harmonic chirping at the attack of a note if you dig in. Huge fan of this overall, now I gotta try it with my clean blend set up to see if I can get it to work.

So yeah I gots problems...and I'm still waiting on other pedals...
 
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So our new singer left the band, only to have the old one wonder back right in time. I do like the new guy better, but older guy works perfectly fine. It’s nice to not really miss a beat after a switch up.

And having a new gtr player over to my place to hopefully do a post hardcore/hardcore punk thang.

Oh! and am super excited to see old man gloom thurs night!
 
y faith in humanity is (slightly) restored:


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LMAO-That’s f-ing awesome…

Makes me happy to see kids that age even listening to Slayer, much less attempting to play it…

That attempt was probably better than the few times I’ve attempted to play that song…

Also-After watching that my brain thought of this:



Thanks! \m/
 
Hi Everybody,

Apologies for being too lazy to scroll back thru prior pages to find it, but I think someone mentioned a while back that the Darkglass Alpha Omega 900 is a good amp…

An Alpha Omicron pedal is still on my GAS list, but starting to get interested in the actual 900w amp…

What I was curious about- Does Darkglass have better quality control/reliability on their products than Ampeg???

I am still kicking around getting a Portaflex 800 or maybe an SVT 1000, but I was reading that if either of those amps thinks it’s overheating it will shut down/turn itself off as a safety feature…

Any truth to this on the Ampegs???

Wondering if maybe this was a glitch on the first round production and they got it corrected…(Supposedly they will shut down at low volumes even when you aren’t pushing the amp)…

Aware that the Darkglass is probably going to make different noises than the Ampeg as it’s probably more of a “modern” bass tone amp, but I seem to now have it in my head from reviews I’ve read that Darkglass’ stuff is a little more high end???

Any truth to the last question about them having higher quality or is that just a cognitive bias???

If I remember right Ampeg is now owned by Yamaha (who has a decent reputation so maybe they fixed that???)…

Thanks! \m/
 
Hi Everybody,

Apologies for being too lazy to scroll back thru prior pages to find it, but I think someone mentioned a while back that the Darkglass Alpha Omega 900 is a good amp…

An Alpha Omicron pedal is still on my GAS list, but starting to get interested in the actual 900w amp…

What I was curious about- Does Darkglass have better quality control/reliability on their products than Ampeg???

I am still kicking around getting a Portaflex 800 or maybe an SVT 1000, but I was reading that if either of those amps thinks it’s overheating it will shut down/turn itself off as a safety feature…

Any truth to this on the Ampegs???

Wondering if maybe this was a glitch on the first round production and they got it corrected…(Supposedly they will shut down at low volumes even when you aren’t pushing the amp)…

Aware that the Darkglass is probably going to make different noises than the Ampeg as it’s probably more of a “modern” bass tone amp, but I seem to now have it in my head from reviews I’ve read that Darkglass’ stuff is a little more high end???

Any truth to the last question about them having higher quality or is that just a cognitive bias???

If I remember right Ampeg is now owned by Yamaha (who has a decent reputation so maybe they fixed that???)…

Thanks! \m/
Ampeg is a much much bigger company than Darkglass. I think overall they make solid stuff. The tone for most, if not all their products aim at either their SVT or the old fliotop amps. So its more of a classic/retro voiced line of amps.

Darkglass is very much known for making really solid stuff. I'm sure there's a wide range of tones available from their amps but, they are known for being more modern sounding especially when it comes to dirtier tones.
 
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Hi Everybody,

Apologies for being too lazy to scroll back thru prior pages to find it, but I think someone mentioned a while back that the Darkglass Alpha Omega 900 is a good amp…

An Alpha Omicron pedal is still on my GAS list, but starting to get interested in the actual 900w amp…

What I was curious about- Does Darkglass have better quality control/reliability on their products than Ampeg???

I am still kicking around getting a Portaflex 800 or maybe an SVT 1000, but I was reading that if either of those amps thinks it’s overheating it will shut down/turn itself off as a safety feature…

Any truth to this on the Ampegs???

Wondering if maybe this was a glitch on the first round production and they got it corrected…(Supposedly they will shut down at low volumes even when you aren’t pushing the amp)…

Aware that the Darkglass is probably going to make different noises than the Ampeg as it’s probably more of a “modern” bass tone amp, but I seem to now have it in my head from reviews I’ve read that Darkglass’ stuff is a little more high end???

Any truth to the last question about them having higher quality or is that just a cognitive bias???

If I remember right Ampeg is now owned by Yamaha (who has a decent reputation so maybe they fixed that???)…

Thanks! \m/
They both sell enough stuff that I'm sure some duds sneak through quality control. Of course they could also make some faulty designs from time to time, but at the end of the day it's all about the customer service. I wouldn't worry too much about generalizations of who makes a more reliable product, but instead I'd worry about who will do the right thing if you do end up with a dud.

Of course the number one question has to be, what tone are you after?
 
What I was curious about- Does Darkglass have better quality control/reliability on their products than Ampeg???

Since Ampeg has been taken over by Yamaha, QA got better I am told. At least for Switzerland, apparently, after-sales support got back to where it was prior to the LOUD takeover, too. Small wonder, Yamaha is huge in the music instruments business here.

That said, Darkglass is no slouch either. But at least around here, getting spare parts or stuff fixed is a lot easier for Ampeg gear than Darkglass, mostly because of abovementioned Yamaha thing.

Personally, I like both. I get the results I am after easier with Ampeg, but that’s probably because I’ve played through their stuff on and off for the past three decades.
 
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Thanks for responding everyone…

I think the Ampeg is the route I eventually wanna go after plugging a P bass into one at GC a few months back…

I had kind of an “Oh yes” moment when I played that combination…

I don’t really have any Darkglass dealers near me to try their amp out and maybe I need to try the Ampeg/P bass combo again to make sure I still like the sound, but I really dug how the Ampeg sounded when I tried it out briefly in the store…

I DEFINITELY want something by Darkglass bc I’ve drooled over the stuff repeatedly, but I’m pretty sure an Alpha Omicron would be sufficient for generating that sound when I want it and scratching that gear itch (I love that low-end/midrange distorted sound and it seems to be able to get a a decent amount of “Clank” when you want it to from demos I’ve heard online)…

Ampeg stuff does tend to weigh more which is a con IMO especially if I end up gigging, but I really like their sound…

This is a SWEEPING generalization, however I typically have VERY good luck with Japanese products (cars, electronics, ETC), so the fact that they are now owned by Yamaha (a Japanese company) who already has a pretty decent reputation in other areas is quite encouraging in my book, but obviously I don’t wanna buy something that is unreliable (hence my QC question)…

Thanks for the feedback…

Fortunately have some time to do more research on both, but was curious if anyone had heard that Ampegs were “unreliable “…

In other news-How long does it take to swap some freaking pickups???

Dropped my new P off almost two weeks ago and still haven’t gotten the call that it’s read to go…

Fingers crossed it’s the next day of two-Was originally told it would be a week…

The anticipation is killing me…

Thanks! \m/
 
Thanks for responding everyone…

I think the Ampeg is the route I eventually wanna go after plugging a P bass into one at GC a few months back…

I had kind of an “Oh yes” moment when I played that combination…

I don’t really have any Darkglass dealers near me to try their amp out and maybe I need to try the Ampeg/P bass combo again to make sure I still like the sound, but I really dug how the Ampeg sounded when I tried it out briefly in the store…

I DEFINITELY want something by Darkglass bc I’ve drooled over the stuff repeatedly, but I’m pretty sure an Alpha Omicron would be sufficient for generating that sound when I want it and scratching that gear itch (I love that low-end/midrange distorted sound and it seems to be able to get a a decent amount of “Clank” when you want it to from demos I’ve heard online)…

Ampeg stuff does tend to weigh more which is a con IMO especially if I end up gigging, but I really like their sound…

This is a SWEEPING generalization, however I typically have VERY good luck with Japanese products (cars, electronics, ETC), so the fact that they are now owned by Yamaha (a Japanese company) who already has a pretty decent reputation in other areas is quite encouraging in my book, but obviously I don’t wanna buy something that is unreliable (hence my QC question)…

Thanks for the feedback…

Fortunately have some time to do more research on both, but was curious if anyone had heard that Ampegs were “unreliable “…

In other news-How long does it take to swap some freaking pickups???

Dropped my new P off almost two weeks ago and still haven’t gotten the call that it’s read to go…

Fingers crossed it’s the next day of two-Was originally told it would be a week…

The anticipation is killing me…

Thanks! \m/
I own vintage ampegs so my opinion is slightly skewed, but ampegs totally kick butt. I plugged in my '80 MTI SVT today for the first time since early July and fell in love all over again. My '72 V4B on the other hand, today I might have been tipped over the edge of wanting to let it go. It didn't sound all that great through my new cab, it gets into overdrive too quick for me. Modern ampegs will definitely NOT have this issue due to the onboard gain control
 
Thanks for responding everyone…

I think the Ampeg is the route I eventually wanna go after plugging a P bass into one at GC a few months back…

I had kind of an “Oh yes” moment when I played that combination…

I don’t really have any Darkglass dealers near me to try their amp out and maybe I need to try the Ampeg/P bass combo again to make sure I still like the sound, but I really dug how the Ampeg sounded when I tried it out briefly in the store…

I DEFINITELY want something by Darkglass bc I’ve drooled over the stuff repeatedly, but I’m pretty sure an Alpha Omicron would be sufficient for generating that sound when I want it and scratching that gear itch (I love that low-end/midrange distorted sound and it seems to be able to get a a decent amount of “Clank” when you want it to from demos I’ve heard online)…

Ampeg stuff does tend to weigh more which is a con IMO especially if I end up gigging, but I really like their sound…

This is a SWEEPING generalization, however I typically have VERY good luck with Japanese products (cars, electronics, ETC), so the fact that they are now owned by Yamaha (a Japanese company) who already has a pretty decent reputation in other areas is quite encouraging in my book, but obviously I don’t wanna buy something that is unreliable (hence my QC question)…

Thanks for the feedback…

Fortunately have some time to do more research on both, but was curious if anyone had heard that Ampegs were “unreliable “…

In other news-How long does it take to swap some freaking pickups???

Dropped my new P off almost two weeks ago and still haven’t gotten the call that it’s read to go…

Fingers crossed it’s the next day of two-Was originally told it would be a week…

The anticipation is killing me…

Thanks! \m/
Get yerself one of them Ampeg Scramblers. Cheaper than a new amp, and will get you the tone. I do it via an OG SansAmp BDDI. Totally accurate? Nah. Close enough? Yeppers.
 
Thanks for responding everyone…

I think the Ampeg is the route I eventually wanna go after plugging a P bass into one at GC a few months back…

I had kind of an “Oh yes” moment when I played that combination…

I don’t really have any Darkglass dealers near me to try their amp out and maybe I need to try the Ampeg/P bass combo again to make sure I still like the sound, but I really dug how the Ampeg sounded when I tried it out briefly in the store…

I DEFINITELY want something by Darkglass bc I’ve drooled over the stuff repeatedly, but I’m pretty sure an Alpha Omicron would be sufficient for generating that sound when I want it and scratching that gear itch (I love that low-end/midrange distorted sound and it seems to be able to get a a decent amount of “Clank” when you want it to from demos I’ve heard online)…

Ampeg stuff does tend to weigh more which is a con IMO especially if I end up gigging, but I really like their sound…

This is a SWEEPING generalization, however I typically have VERY good luck with Japanese products (cars, electronics, ETC), so the fact that they are now owned by Yamaha (a Japanese company) who already has a pretty decent reputation in other areas is quite encouraging in my book, but obviously I don’t wanna buy something that is unreliable (hence my QC question)…

Thanks for the feedback…

Fortunately have some time to do more research on both, but was curious if anyone had heard that Ampegs were “unreliable “…

In other news-How long does it take to swap some freaking pickups???

Dropped my new P off almost two weeks ago and still haven’t gotten the call that it’s read to go…

Fingers crossed it’s the next day of two-Was originally told it would be a week…

The anticipation is killing me…

Thanks! \m/

I have the ampeg BA 210 combo and have been gigging with it the past couple months though I've owned the amp for almost two years now. Compared to say the Fender equivalent it definitely weighs more, but the Ampeg just has so much more character. I owned the smallest rumble and have played on a few of the bigger ones and IMO there's no competition when it comes to the tones between the two lines, Ampeg all the way. IDK what year mine was made but I'm pretty sure it was made under yamaha ownership and I've had zero problems. Just a LITTLE bit of tolex stripping off one of the bottom corners. The built in scrambler effect is nice too.

No opinion on DG amps, I've only used their vintage microtubes pedal.
 
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I have the ampeg BA 210 combo and have been gigging with it the past couple months though I've owned the amp for almost two years now. Compared to say the Fender equivalent it definitely weighs more, but the Ampeg just has so much more character. I owned the smallest rumble and have played on a few of the bigger ones and IMO there's no competition when it comes to the tones between the two lines, Ampeg all the way. IDK what year mine was made but I'm pretty sure it was made under yamaha ownership and I've had zero problems. Just a LITTLE bit of tolex stripping off one of the bottom corners. The built in scrambler effect is nice too.

No opinion on DG amps, I've only used their vintage microtubes pedal.
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Good to know (thanks for the info)…

The whole wattage thing on amps stumped me for quite a while bc I didn’t realize that tube amps wattage is lower, but after some more research I’m not so sure that the whole wattage thing really matters???…I read that if you wanna be really “loud” in a band setting that you need a 500 watt amp or more…

Factor in that ergo I thought more wattage=better (because I thought more watts=louder) and I overlooked all amps under 500w, but I don’t think that’s the case <—-(???)…

Also-Tubes seem to be more expensive overall (especially Ampeg) and I “thought” that they were notorious for being heavy and unreliable bc the tubes can need replacing…

Here’s my goal (however poorly this analogy is)-I want a bass amp combo that will wake up Satan…

Okay, I’m saying that VERY tongue and cheek/sarcastically, but I like my music to sound a little bit like a giant dumpster fire of distortion and a really bone rattling amount of noise:

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Will a P Bass and an Ampeg get me to that meme???

I think I overlooked a P bass bc I just assumed it was too “simple” for what I wanted, but starting to see that I prefer fewer knobs on things and I have a very “set it and forget it” mindset on amp settings…

I have to play with the amp some to get what I want, but know it when I hear it which seems to be mids scooped with the bass and treble up…

NO idea what I would need in a band setting, but when playing alone I always seem to find myself camping out on that setting bc it just sounds better (to me)…

So…Maybe I need to save more than I thought for an amp :-( , but starting to think that I should maybe look at an SVT tube???

I was pretty set on a solid state for a while but now I’m just sorta confused now as to what I want (forgive me for stating the obvious)…

Add in that I “thought” I was after active pickups so I have an active bass, but I just bought a passive bass bc now I think I might like that sound a little bit better and I just wanna make sure I get it right the first time on the amp…

Yeah I could always sell it later, but trying to not do that…

Thanks! \m/
 
If you want a mid scooped tone, a P-bass is the last thing you want. P-basses are low mid heavy.

Now I don't know Satan, but I suspect that to wake him up you'll need low mids. Tons of them.

So there you are.
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Thanks for responding (lol-and also for acknowledging my dumb joke)…

So I do like the P running w scooped mids playing alone, but I’m curious as to what you would suggest I set my amp at to get low mids???…

Right now I’m running Bass-10 Mids-0 Treble-10.

What would you suggest I put those three at to get the tone you’re describing above???

I will should finally get my new P back from the shop tomorrow w/ the Geezer EMGs, so anxious to see what the new pickups w the flats can do…

In the meantime-Curious to see what you would suggest to my question above amp settings…

Just wondering where you think I set my mids and overall eq…

Thanks! \m/
 
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