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ooh. P w/ Geezers strung with flats is niiiiiice. Hope you'll enjoy it, but I expect you will
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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out
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People fixate on watts too much. Fact is, if they aren't rating the wattage at the same distortion level, then the numbers from different manufacturers largely don't mean much when you compare them. Also, it depends greatly on the square footage of the speakers you're running it through.
Case in point: I have a 300W tube amp and a 2X15 cab for my current band. With it running at about 3 and a 1/4 on the master volume, we had the person who was managing the practice space come by and ask us to turn down the bass. They were apparently getting complaints. I turned it down to 3, and we didn't get more complaints. Even a 20W PF-20T can be loud through that cabinet. It'll have to be set higher than 3, though.
That sucks
I didn't even think of that. They sound just as good in person as they do in the clips if not better.^^^^
Go for it what you got! I have the Landphil and the Deathmaster and they both sound amazing. Using them both for a doom/sludge thing I'm working on solo bass Royal Blood style with backing tracks. Turning out really cool sounds immense.
I have way too many distortions but I love each and every one of them.
I've only seen/heard one bassist play a darkglass amp live and it sounded fantastic but very modern which may or may not be your thing. Alan from Starless/numerous bands you guys would like his band so I'm linking it.
Hope Is Leaving You | Starless (bandcamp.com)
Sascha Erni
Making things go whoomp, whoomp since 1994
First time I took the Hoof (v2) to a gig yesterday – and it blew the roof off.
I don't get the reactions the Hoof receives here on TalkBass and on Reddit. “Cuts too much bass”, but what does “too much” mean? It sounded massive, with lots of oomph and in-your-face fuzz. AND it still sounded like a bass guitar. Had to dial Level up naturally, but having to turn up distortion pedals (from overdrive to fuzz or muff) is sort of to be expected, with all that compression going on. Is it due to a dichotomy live/studio, perhaps? Recording, I'd probably run a secondary DI with my clean bass into the board anyway, but at live volumes? Punched like a donkey, that thing.
So … what am I missing? Anybody in this group who plays with a Hoof? Or, that would be more interesting, ditched it, and if yes, why exactly?
I don't get the reactions the Hoof receives here on TalkBass and on Reddit. “Cuts too much bass”, but what does “too much” mean? It sounded massive, with lots of oomph and in-your-face fuzz. AND it still sounded like a bass guitar. Had to dial Level up naturally, but having to turn up distortion pedals (from overdrive to fuzz or muff) is sort of to be expected, with all that compression going on. Is it due to a dichotomy live/studio, perhaps? Recording, I'd probably run a secondary DI with my clean bass into the board anyway, but at live volumes? Punched like a donkey, that thing.
So … what am I missing? Anybody in this group who plays with a Hoof? Or, that would be more interesting, ditched it, and if yes, why exactly?
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Something I wanted to share with other amp noobs like me: I own an Ampeg PF350 (250 Watts @ 8 Ohms, 350 Watt@ 4 Ohms) and an Ampeg SVT 410-HE cab (500 Watts max., 8 Ohms. I added a cheap Harley Benton 1x15 cab (200 Watts max., 8 Ohms) because I thought "Mooore loud and Bass ooomph, amirite?"
Turns out the two cabs together were not really louder and produced a punchy, (high?) mid-heavy sound. But the Ampeg 4x10 sounded much deeper all by itself. I could feel the Bass more than with the added 1x15.
I got much to learn/try out.
Turns out the two cabs together were not really louder and produced a punchy, (high?) mid-heavy sound. But the Ampeg 4x10 sounded much deeper all by itself. I could feel the Bass more than with the added 1x15.
I got much to learn/try out.
Well, if the cabs and speakers were perfect copies of each other, and you were in exactly the right position, you'd get no sound whatsoever because the sound waves would cancel each other out completely. Since those conditions are unlikely to be true, you will usually get certain frequencies cancelling each other out.
Here's a pretty good demonstration of the effect:
It could explain why you're hearing less bass. Sometimes even if you connect cabs "correctly" the design of cabs can be such that two cabs from different manufacturers can be out of phase with each other when used together. This can also happen with pedals when using parallel signal paths...some pedals might have different polarity than others.
I was interested in the Hoof, but went elsewhere with my Muff needs. Can you compare to any other muffs/fuzzes? For reference, thus far, my favorite Muffs are the Swollen Pickle and Pharaoh Supreme. My other favorite fuzz is the Carcosa, which I may pick up again in the future.
There's a gigantic spread of viewpoints on watts/volume/perceived loudness. The "touchstone" rock bass amp for years has been a 300 watt SVT into an 8x10 cab. The perceived volume difference in tube v. solid state topography is usually due to the actual sound of the notes, with the sound of tubes seeming louder due to the more musical nature of the breakup. And many, many more flame wars on the internet.)
If you went with 500 watts of class-D power into 2 good quality 4x10 matching cabs, you will bring the thunder.
If you went with 500 watts of class-D power into 2 good quality 4x10 matching cabs, you will bring the thunder.
Also, going this route of using two cabs, you could get one and spend some time with it to decide whether it's enough on its own (it very well might be). If not, grab a second cab.
Also, going the DIY route can be very gratifying (and easier than you think, particularly if building a cab that only uses one driver with no crossovers and the like). Shameless plug: Build thread: fEARful 15 sub
NBD incoming: I've just ordered this cheap Harley Benton P-Bass:
If the build quality is acceptable to me, I'll put in Geezers and change the strings to Steve Harris flats tuned to C-Standard. Maybe I'll add a mirror pickguard.
If the build quality is acceptable to me, I'll put in Geezers and change the strings to Steve Harris flats tuned to C-Standard. Maybe I'll add a mirror pickguard.
I have that bass… it’s worth putting money into. The build is shocking for the price.
I hope so! If it's junk I'll send it back and get a replacement until I get one that's fine. I just love the black satin finish 
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that's cheap and I still have a set Geezers laying around...No! I don't need a bass! I just bought a house! I need furniture!
But...a bass is musical furniture. And you could use said piece of furniture to store your spare Geezers in.
Sascha Erni
Making things go whoomp, whoomp since 1994
I personally played the Pickle part of the P&P, a few EHX Muffs, and a dialed-up MBD2 (with the +20 dB switch in the up position). Of those, I think the Hoof sounds the closest to an EHX Green Russian, but still different. That Shift dial changes the character of the Fuzz effect considerably. There are a few bass samples with the settings listed on the EQ site:
https://www.earthquakerdevices.com/hoof (Towards the bottom of the page)
All other Fuzzes I played had more bass, but not in a for me usable way. With the MBD2 for example i turned the clean blend all the way down to get a Fuzz sound I liked. (Or rather, a Fuzz-like sound, I know it's not a real Fuzz pedal.) Same with all EHX pedals, which made them sound tamer, less in-your-face for me. With the Hoof I find I don't need to do anything, EQ-wise, and it still punches a lot, while providing a strong fundament.
Addendum: As always, it's a question of preferences. For example, I don't like Ampegs with the Ultra Low switch engaged. And I vastly prefer Orange's amp voicings to both Ampeg and Fender. I really love that lower mids bark when playing rock, and can't stand it if the bass sounds like I'm at a techno party.
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