Thanks, wasn't sure if it would mute the speaker, which I don't think I'll want to have happen.
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TC Electronic BG250 Club (Part 2)
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Thanks, wasn't sure if it would mute the speaker, which I don't think I'll want to have happen.
Received my BG250-112 last night and it's in the box ready to be picked up by UPS this morning. Very muddy low end (to my ears), I'm sticking with my BH550 and two Eden 1x12 enclosures!
A situation that could call for this would be if you or a sound guy want to hear just the FOH or monitors. Good to know what to do (that you can do it) if/when the situation comes up.
Sorry if this has been addressed previously (haven't read every post in part 1 and 2) .....
I have a BG250 2x10 and like it a lot so far. I'm fairly new to bass (but many years as pro musician on other instruments) so I haven't gigged yet but it's getting to where I'm ready to start looking for some easy bass gigs to get experience. I'm not expecting the BG250 is enough for larger shows (though it does seem surprisingly strong practicing at home) so was shopping for a gigging rig --- and then I started wondering about just adding a second BG250 2x10. That'd be essentially 500watts (oh yeah, I forgot
"sounds like 500 watts") of 4x10 and would be easy to manage (don't mind two trips with light gear vs one heavier carry). It seems like it would be flexible - just one amp for smaller events and/or PA support and both amps when I need more - and the spare amp factor - and option to do a Ric-O-Sound stereo sort of thing if I wanted.
Questions:
assuming I'm not going ric-o-sound - would you use just the preamp on one amp to control both power amps (and how would you wire that? From the recording out of control amp to the line in on second amp?)
or would you split the signal from your bass to both amps and control each amp separately?
How would you stack them? Bottom amp on it's side and top amp vertically? Both sideways for access to controls/jacks? Both vertically with some sort of spacer between to access controls on bottom amp? (I'd prefer the height of going vertically but sideways seems to make the most sense for keeping it simple)
Is this a dumb idea?
I have a BG250 2x10 and like it a lot so far. I'm fairly new to bass (but many years as pro musician on other instruments) so I haven't gigged yet but it's getting to where I'm ready to start looking for some easy bass gigs to get experience. I'm not expecting the BG250 is enough for larger shows (though it does seem surprisingly strong practicing at home) so was shopping for a gigging rig --- and then I started wondering about just adding a second BG250 2x10. That'd be essentially 500watts (oh yeah, I forgot
"sounds like 500 watts") of 4x10 and would be easy to manage (don't mind two trips with light gear vs one heavier carry). It seems like it would be flexible - just one amp for smaller events and/or PA support and both amps when I need more - and the spare amp factor - and option to do a Ric-O-Sound stereo sort of thing if I wanted.Questions:
assuming I'm not going ric-o-sound - would you use just the preamp on one amp to control both power amps (and how would you wire that? From the recording out of control amp to the line in on second amp?)
or would you split the signal from your bass to both amps and control each amp separately?
How would you stack them? Bottom amp on it's side and top amp vertically? Both sideways for access to controls/jacks? Both vertically with some sort of spacer between to access controls on bottom amp? (I'd prefer the height of going vertically but sideways seems to make the most sense for keeping it simple)
Is this a dumb idea?
Apologies in advance if this is a stoopid question:
I've forgotten which toneprints I sent to my BG250 (ages ago) - I like one of them that is currently loaded and want to make a note of which one it is - but can't remember what it was. Is there a way to see which toneprint is currently loaded? Or would I have to just try them all one at a time until I find the one that sounds the same?
I've forgotten which toneprints I sent to my BG250 (ages ago) - I like one of them that is currently loaded and want to make a note of which one it is - but can't remember what it was. Is there a way to see which toneprint is currently loaded? Or would I have to just try them all one at a time until I find the one that sounds the same?
I'm putting my 2x10 up for sale..got a VT 500 and a Veyron (MOSFET), playing the Veyron through 2 Burgera cabs (2x10 and 1x15), and just picked up a used Genz Benz Focus 1x12, to use with the VT for smaller gigs...I had been using the RB for smaller gigs, with a VT pedal in front of it, never can get the sound I want..I have been practicing with the other two amps for about a week or two, plugged into the RB tonight...what a disappointment! NO mids on these amps..turn up the "mids" knob, no help there..this was the second one of these combos I've owned ( had the 1x15, sold it to get the 2x10) and I guess I had to play through a couple other rigs to hear how bad this thing sounds..if you're into "super scooped" mids, then it's the ticket, but that's all it does..love the TonePrint option, but I'm playing in a cover band, and don't really use it for anything but compression..mines going up for local sale..
Sorry if this has been addressed previously (haven't read every post in part 1 and 2) .....
I have a BG250 2x10 and like it a lot so far. I'm fairly new to bass (but many years as pro musician on other instruments) so I haven't gigged yet but it's getting to where I'm ready to start looking for some easy bass gigs to get experience. I'm not expecting the BG250 is enough for larger shows (though it does seem surprisingly strong practicing at home) so was shopping for a gigging rig --- and then I started wondering about just adding a second BG250 2x10. That'd be essentially 500watts (oh yeah, I forgot
Questions:
assuming I'm not going ric-o-sound - would you use just the preamp on one amp to control both power amps (and how would you wire that? From the recording out of control amp to the line in on second amp?)
or would you split the signal from your bass to both amps and control each amp separately?
How would you stack them? Bottom amp on it's side and top amp vertically? Both sideways for access to controls/jacks? Both vertically with some sort of spacer between to access controls on bottom amp? (I'd prefer the height of going vertically but sideways seems to make the most sense for keeping it simple)
Is this a dumb idea?
I'm actually running such a stage rig right now,although mine is a 115 and 210. Using an A/B box to send signal from my wireless receiver to both.
I stack them on their sides, 115 on bottom, on a couple of milk crates covered with a dark towel (to hide the fact that I'm stacking my amps on a couple of milk crates...) with a foam pad between. Makes a reasonably sized looking stage rig and plenty enough volume plus I run signal from the 210 to the mixer for the house.
Not sure you could run the 2nd off the pre out from the first, interesting idea though.
Edit: Added rig photo
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If you wanted to test it out, you could build (or buy?) an XLR to mini jack cable --- then go from the XLR out (using post EQ) of the control amp to the AUX in (mini jack) of the second amp - using the master volume on the second amp (the only control that will have any effect on the AUX in) to adjust the level of the second amp.
Think I have enough cords and adapters to jury rig something. Seems a poor way to go about it though. My A/B box setup works just fine.
So excited! Got a scratch and dent BG250-112 on the way for $220 with free shipping! Reading up on these, this amp looks awfully, awfully good. I've been looking for something cheap, compact and light to ditch a 160w Crate combo that's 165% as big, 200% as heavy, and 30% as loud as the new one. I was originally thinking about a head-cab setup, but those are fairly heavy, mostly provide much more power than I would ever need, and universally cost more than $220.
This is a long club thread(s) and took a week to read through. However, 2200+ replies really do give a fairly broad variety of experience and there's plenty of info for doublers specifically, so away we go...
There's not a BG250 of any configuration in local stores right now; nobody seems to have any TC combos to play with, even the nominal dealers. I used a TC head once in a local store, but only for a few minutes, and it was a long time ago so I don't recall having much of an opinion. The used market mostly has tons of combos floating around, but not this particular one. I never buy without trying but am making an exception here. In this case $200 off and a slew of really good reviews from other doublers, coupled with the MF return policy and a few paying gigs at just the right time are enough for me to wait a week or two for a backorder.
Can be purchased from gig money - Check!
Has enough volume to keep up with a blues or country band - Check!
Balanced out for non-existant FOH support gigs - Check!
Will not make my DB cry during acoustic gigs - Check!
Weighs less than my truck - Check!
My current DB pre is a Zoom MFX and I'd love to ditch it if the new combo allows. Piezos sound funny and my particular one is on the high-impedence side, so there's a couple stages of EQ, a tube emulator, expander and comp in my Zoom patch, which also addresses impedence issues. It sounds like a double bass. It doesn't really sound like my double bass, but that's a lot to ask with my cheap pickup and (until now) crappy rig. Based on what I've read, I might be able to do everything I need with EQ and comp in the box, especially if "sounds kinda like a DB" is the standard to which I am aspiring. If not, there's always Velcro and patch cables.
My current BG pre is aka the cord between the bass and the amp. I think there will be some rocking out with the dist patches and an Ibby. Or maybe I'll just shove it in a corner and start shaking some stuff off the shelves. I want to shake some stuff off the shelves!
Boom boom boom
EDIT: Yesterday's test was pretty amazing. Really like this amp - it's WAY lighter than it has any right to be and as loud as any 2x10 around. Almost want to post a NAD
This is a long club thread(s) and took a week to read through. However, 2200+ replies really do give a fairly broad variety of experience and there's plenty of info for doublers specifically, so away we go...
There's not a BG250 of any configuration in local stores right now; nobody seems to have any TC combos to play with, even the nominal dealers. I used a TC head once in a local store, but only for a few minutes, and it was a long time ago so I don't recall having much of an opinion. The used market mostly has tons of combos floating around, but not this particular one. I never buy without trying but am making an exception here. In this case $200 off and a slew of really good reviews from other doublers, coupled with the MF return policy and a few paying gigs at just the right time are enough for me to wait a week or two for a backorder.
Can be purchased from gig money - Check!
Has enough volume to keep up with a blues or country band - Check!
Balanced out for non-existant FOH support gigs - Check!
Will not make my DB cry during acoustic gigs - Check!
Weighs less than my truck - Check!
My current DB pre is a Zoom MFX and I'd love to ditch it if the new combo allows. Piezos sound funny and my particular one is on the high-impedence side, so there's a couple stages of EQ, a tube emulator, expander and comp in my Zoom patch, which also addresses impedence issues. It sounds like a double bass. It doesn't really sound like my double bass, but that's a lot to ask with my cheap pickup and (until now) crappy rig. Based on what I've read, I might be able to do everything I need with EQ and comp in the box, especially if "sounds kinda like a DB" is the standard to which I am aspiring. If not, there's always Velcro and patch cables.
My current BG pre is aka the cord between the bass and the amp. I think there will be some rocking out with the dist patches and an Ibby. Or maybe I'll just shove it in a corner and start shaking some stuff off the shelves. I want to shake some stuff off the shelves!
Boom boom boom
EDIT: Yesterday's test was pretty amazing. Really like this amp - it's WAY lighter than it has any right to be and as loud as any 2x10 around. Almost want to post a NAD
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First off, my apologies if this has already been discussed here, I'm sure this has been addressed previously somewhere in the previous 60 pages of posts, and admittedly I haven't read all of them yet (about half way through). So my question - has anyone analyzed one of these to determine where truly " flat " is tone setting wise?
I just did this yesterday. If you like, I can post some pictures of pink noise going through a BG250 and recording from the XLR out (with EQ enabled to the out). Is that what you are interested in? Or the sound of the speakers mic'ed up as well?
Hey Andy, appreciate the quick response and offer. Here's what I have going. Playing with using a separate DI as opposed to taking the signal from the amp, running it to both my BG250's and direct to the board. Would like to get the amp as flat as possible and let the DI serve as the tone control (wanna see what it may or may not add tone wise). So yeah, guess pics of the signal from the XLR would be what I'm looking for.
Bass-Mid-Treb all at noon is pretty close to flat:
Bass at 3 o'clock - Mid and Treb at noon:
Bass at 9 o'clock - Mid and Treb at noon:
Bass and Treb at noon - Mid at 3 o'clock:
Bass and Treb at noon - Mid at 9 o'clock:
Bass and Mid at noon - Treb at 3 o'clock:
Bass and Mid and noon - Treb at 9 o'clock:
Bass at 3 o'clock - Mid and Treb at noon:
Bass at 9 o'clock - Mid and Treb at noon:
Bass and Treb at noon - Mid at 3 o'clock:
Bass and Treb at noon - Mid at 9 o'clock:
Bass and Mid at noon - Treb at 3 o'clock:
Bass and Mid and noon - Treb at 9 o'clock:
I just happened to be in my DAW testing something similar out - super easy to do.
This is the flattest setting I could get:
OH ... I should say that my BG250 is a 2x10 ---- I believe I read somewhere that they voice them differently depending on which speaker config. So a 1x15 probably wouldn't have the same EQ curve as mine.
You can find pink noise wave files to download ... I've attached a short mp3 of pink noise. I simply put the pink noise file in an audio track in my DAW and directed the output to my BG250 --- then I sent the XLR output from BG250 (there is a pre/post EQ button - you want it lit so you are getting the BG250 EQ) into a different audio track in my DAW and put a plugin on that track to display the spectrum (it's a free spectrum analyzer plugin). There may be better tools out there, but this is the one I used: Spectrum Analyzer
