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Team Trace Elliot! Part II

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Hello TB and Trace Elliot users!

got two issues, one technical and one just fun:

- First: I bought a 2103H used but in mint conditions 6 months ago, after trying it out. Already while trying it out at the former owner's, i noticed that at high volume the cab distorted. I thought it was because of the huge head that was driving it. I can't remember what it was, anyway a big Mesa Boogie.
Well I took the risk and bought it for 250€. The condition was like it was still in the shop...

Very good, I took it in my rehearsal room and after like 10 sessions, yes, it DID distort big time. I drive it through a TE AH200, and my settings are 3-4 for the input and 3-4 for the master. I use it in a full stack with a 1510H.
During a gig i used my stack as my backline and it was a pain in the arse, since i could not increase the volume because of distortion and I had to only rely on the monitors.

Today I brought the amp and the 2103H to a tech. He first checked the speakers for mechanical failure (membrane mainly). But nothing. He checked the back plate for dissolded cables. nothing. He was skeptical and he told me to play in it with my bass. It DID distort, mainly on the lowest freqs and by pushing hard on the string.

He will now check thoroughly the speakers for detached parts in the area of the magnet and so on.

worst case scenario is of course "defect" speakers. Now I have checked at britishaudioservice.com, and the pair would be at around 170 dollars plus shipping to germany.

Question to you is: is there a "better" choice than to replace them with the original ones? Better in terms of loadability and allowed power or peaks endurance? It is absolutely not my field of knowledge.


- second point is: when will I get my Trace Elliot Member Number? :)

Full Stack:
Top AH200 - Series 6
2x10 "2103H"
1x15 "1153H"

in the pedalboard:
TE SMX Dual compressor :p:p:p:p
 

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If you want it to sound the same as it was designed to, then get the direct replacements. Trace Elliot uses specially designed Celestion speakers.
Other speakers have different characteristics, specs, response, etc and will not SOUND right to a Trace Elliot fan, but joe public probably would not be able to tell. ;)
And for a pair of Trace Elliot 2103 Speakers ...
Trace Elliot 10" 200W @ 16 Ohm Bass Loudspeaker. Replacement Driver for 2103H Bass Cabinets. For Older Models, We Recommend Replacing both Drivers.
Model #: 75-TE-BS-10200-16
Price: $107.14 Each
On sale for: $89.95 is a good price.:cool:
Now shipping to Germany? I don't know if you can find them locally with in reason or if it would be worth the shipping.
I know smaller items (like the Black light) to the UK are 20.00 from BAS . com....
 
Hey Trace thank you for your answer.
It make sense, what you say, of course!
I was thinking of a "bigger brother", but if the speaker work, ther would be no point in worrying, since my stack is (in my humble opiinon) well balanced.

NOOOW: how can I gently ask to get a membership number? My TE rig is in the picture I have attached in my last post :)))

Ciao,
Sergio.
 
Hey Trace thank you for your answer.
It make sense, what you say, of course!
I was thinking of a "bigger brother", but if the speaker work, ther would be no point in worrying, since my stack is (in my humble opiinon) well balanced.

NOOOW: how can I gently ask to get a membership number? My TE rig is in the picture I have attached in my last post :)))

Ciao,
Sergio.
Ah yeah, I didn't click on the pic...;)

PM downunderwonder - (I think) he handles "The List" :cool: and will assign you a team number..:D
 
Back in the real world...I got hold of a SWR JrIII 2x10 to put on top of my 1518. Couldn't have been happier with the sounds I was getting out of it last night. I had to wire up another speaker lead and go straight to gig so the bandmates got a nice surprise too.

I would have got a trace cab to match but they are never for sale here.
 
As soon as m tech will tell me that both speakers are mint (which i hope), i will try that.

Hi, just to progress with my report:
The box is back, the tech told me that the "dust caps" were not properly attached to the membrane and that the 4 fixation brackets were too close to the membrane and maybe blocked the membrane when it wanted to go for the whole excursion. Apart from that, the speakers are in perfect conditions. The bass reflex ducts were also loose. He charged me 30€, telling me that, in case of further problem related to the speakers, he would subtract the 30€ to the new repair cost. I think it´s fair...

I brought the box back to the rehearsal room and... something happened.
After plugging everything in as always, I switched the gear on and i heard a very "windy" distorsion sound, at low volume. Then I run to the amp again, switched off, unplugged and re-plugged in all cables (speakers and power supply), checked both fuses (main and speakers) it was all ok.
I re-switched the amp on and started playing. Could not believe my ears, the overall volume of my rig was half the usual volume!!!! Half!
I started the usual tests:
- using just the bass with another instrument cable
- using just the 1x15" box
- using just the 2x10" box
- switching the position of the speaker plugs in both amp sockets
- disconnecting my pedal board and going with the bass directely in the amp
- ...

- playing with an electrical guitar in my amp
- ...

nothing, the amp is giving out half of the power whatever I do

I then played my bass in another amp in the room, no problem, everything is great and working.

So... I think something in the amp got fried.
What could be the cause? i can only remember that, while the 2x10 was at the techs, I tried to implement some hints I have been reading here in TB about "amp having too little headroom and causing the speakers to distort". What I did is to drive the gain up until the clipping red LED was on once every 5-6 beats....

H E L P :(
 
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