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The Acoustic Club
- Thread starter The Owl
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I just picked this up i figured I could get a number maybe get some more info from what I found it looks like a 402 model but this is a 212 cab.
....lol, I know I don't have a 360, YET!!!!! We have dreams!!!! But coming to an Acoustic site and being given #360, heck! I need to buy a lottery ticket!!!
Can I get a number, I thought I asked for one a few months ago.. but I guess not. I own 2x b100's.
But I also have a question. Tomorrow I'm going to have to play at a location that I am unaware of the size.. so I might need to send my signal to the pa.. or mic my cab.
Could I... Effects Send>Di box>FOH ?? Considering we have a few di boxes, this seems like my absolute easiest solution to pull off tomorrow. I've just never had to use them since my amp fills our church easily.
edit: Surferjoe, I believe you told me to get a aby box a while ago.. or something to split my signal. I don't remember exactly.
I would just like to know my options.
But I also have a question. Tomorrow I'm going to have to play at a location that I am unaware of the size.. so I might need to send my signal to the pa.. or mic my cab.
Could I... Effects Send>Di box>FOH ?? Considering we have a few di boxes, this seems like my absolute easiest solution to pull off tomorrow. I've just never had to use them since my amp fills our church easily.
edit: Surferjoe, I believe you told me to get a aby box a while ago.. or something to split my signal. I don't remember exactly.
I would just like to know my options.
Hey, Sounds like home, can I join?
Thx!
3 Acoustic 301's
1 Acoustic 320
1 Acoustic 220
1 Acoustic 140
1 Acoustic 200 (slave)
1 Acoustic 406
1 Acoustic 150B and 102 cab
Carvin, F-Jazz, Yamaha Motion II, P-bass
You sir, are either single or, have a very loving wife
One of the bene's is that when one gets older, every day one meets new people. I don't specifically remember an ABY and two B-100s, but I don't see why not.
However, there was a guy on this site who had two B-600H heads and used them both at the same time.
His technique was to go from the guitar/bass to the Passive input on one head and then patch out of the Active jack to send a signal to the Passive input on the other. He said it worked well - but it hasn't been talked about since he made that statement so who knows?
An ABY can split the signal well enough - and is done all the time for those who want to or need to use it.
Think about this too: almost any effects pedal can be used as an active splitter too. Since they can boost the signal one could keep any losses from starving one cab's signal over the other in a passive split.
I've had no reason to split a B-600H nor my B-450, but I DID split my guitar combos a few times to mix some nice effects with just using a single-dual 1/4" splitter/adapter.
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Yes - there were some minor losses, but it wasn't bad enough to cause any real grief and it was a guitar anyway where distortion is preferred.
Hmmm... Well I've never used a di, and a b100 has no lineout. So would that be ideal what I suggested?
bass to 1/4" input of di box, 1/4" output of dibox to passive input on b100, and xlr from di box to mixer?
bass to 1/4" input of di box, 1/4" output of dibox to passive input on b100, and xlr from di box to mixer?
I think it says that it can go direct to the mixer. The level must be low enough to keep things in control.
But - it's always good to have a DI laying around anyway.
I prefer the MXR M80 Bass +DI. It smokes the BDDI things with it's voicings and lots of knobs and abilities too.
But - it's always good to have a DI laying around anyway.
I prefer the MXR M80 Bass +DI. It smokes the BDDI things with it's voicings and lots of knobs and abilities too.
Thank you very much! Just another thing though, if I was to juse use the effect send without di, I would get noise in the signal if its 20+' ? At my normal church I want to say its 30' from my amp to the mixer.
Thanks for putting up with my incompetence. =P
Thanks for putting up with my incompetence. =P
Re-reading you questions - I think you're worried about distance and signal deterioration and noise insertions.
Thirty feet is where I draw a line for myself, since it seems to attenuate the signal much further than that (with decently good cables too). Actually all cable lose something the very first inch - but it's kinda hard to hear.
Thirty feet is where I draw a line for myself, since it seems to attenuate the signal much further than that (with decently good cables too). Actually all cable lose something the very first inch - but it's kinda hard to hear.
The B-100 manual says you can go from effects send to PA but mine was so noisy we couldn't do that (bad buzz). I now have a Eden WTDI: the 1/4 " out goes to my active input on the B-100 and the XLR goes to the board.
so, my late '80s B-3 head seems to be experiencing a problem with the preamp. I can't achieve a very loud volume (on ANY cabinet, whether my 410, my 115, or my buddy's 610) without any problems.
there are two knobs that concern volume - volume and gain, my understanding is that volume is usually related to the power amp and gain is usually related to the preamp, but on this unit the gain and volume knobs are both related to the preamp. If I turn the gain up to ten, the highest volume (when looking at the knob) I can achieve is at approximately 3, at that point, and after that point, if I pluck a note, I hear this weird popping sound, followed by a decrease in volume which slowly swells back up. At first I figured it was a clip-protection circuit built into the preamp, but the same thing occurs when I put the volume at ten (or full), and the gain past 4 or 5 or so, so it seems to be related to the amount of voltage running through the pramp. I've since been trying to figure this head out, but the only thing I've managed to find is that the volume this thing puts out is nowhere near enough to actually gig with, as well as the fact that there is a TON of midrange on this that can't seem to be dialed out.
I've managed to hook the preamp of this head into a power-amp input on my pro-fet 2, as well as running the preamp of my pro-fet 2 into the power amp of my acoustic and I've learned 2 things:
1) the gain AND volume knobs of the acoustic head are both controlling the preamp and only the preamp, it seems that the voltage/current levels in the preamp are what dictates "volume" (or voltage/current coming out of the amp) and the power amp is always going full blast.
2) the power amp is FINE - with the pro-fet plugged into the power amp I can shake the walls, and the tone has plenty of bass. The problem seems to be in the power amp, because when the preamp of the B-3 is plugged into the power amp of the pro-fet the problem persists, but by turning the power amp of the pro-fet up to 10 (using the volume knob) I can achieve a decent volume, but I can still get that odd clicky-then-volume-dies thing when I push the B-3's preamp too hard.
Does anybody have a plausible solution for this problem? To be honest, I've got a crap ton on my plate anyway at the moment and I'm not completely interested in troubleshooting this thing on my own, does anybody know any amp techs in the Windsor/Essex/Detroit-Michigan area that can fix SS amps?
there are two knobs that concern volume - volume and gain, my understanding is that volume is usually related to the power amp and gain is usually related to the preamp, but on this unit the gain and volume knobs are both related to the preamp. If I turn the gain up to ten, the highest volume (when looking at the knob) I can achieve is at approximately 3, at that point, and after that point, if I pluck a note, I hear this weird popping sound, followed by a decrease in volume which slowly swells back up. At first I figured it was a clip-protection circuit built into the preamp, but the same thing occurs when I put the volume at ten (or full), and the gain past 4 or 5 or so, so it seems to be related to the amount of voltage running through the pramp. I've since been trying to figure this head out, but the only thing I've managed to find is that the volume this thing puts out is nowhere near enough to actually gig with, as well as the fact that there is a TON of midrange on this that can't seem to be dialed out.
I've managed to hook the preamp of this head into a power-amp input on my pro-fet 2, as well as running the preamp of my pro-fet 2 into the power amp of my acoustic and I've learned 2 things:
1) the gain AND volume knobs of the acoustic head are both controlling the preamp and only the preamp, it seems that the voltage/current levels in the preamp are what dictates "volume" (or voltage/current coming out of the amp) and the power amp is always going full blast.
2) the power amp is FINE - with the pro-fet plugged into the power amp I can shake the walls, and the tone has plenty of bass. The problem seems to be in the power amp, because when the preamp of the B-3 is plugged into the power amp of the pro-fet the problem persists, but by turning the power amp of the pro-fet up to 10 (using the volume knob) I can achieve a decent volume, but I can still get that odd clicky-then-volume-dies thing when I push the B-3's preamp too hard.
Does anybody have a plausible solution for this problem? To be honest, I've got a crap ton on my plate anyway at the moment and I'm not completely interested in troubleshooting this thing on my own, does anybody know any amp techs in the Windsor/Essex/Detroit-Michigan area that can fix SS amps?
Check this first - and you might've done this already.
Is the cord from the EFX OUT a speaker cord or an instrument cord?
I don't know anything about your Eden device.
Was this using just a instrument cable from the effects send to the board? Or did you have it effects send>di box>board?
Because I am almost guaranteed it will be too noisy with just instrument cable, but not certain if I use a di box.
edit:
I'm assuming we should be using instrument cord from efx out.. right?
I used an instrument cable. It is just a line level signal out of the effects send so I don't think it requires a speaker cable.
