I guess the 320, or was it the 330, is the one unit answer to this idea. Yes?
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Indeed, or the 450/470.
Or bi-amp. Last week I ran my 270 flat into a 402 cab, and went from the passive input to my G100T combo with bass turned all the way down. Created such a warm and creamy tone.
Or bi-amp. Last week I ran my 270 flat into a 402 cab, and went from the passive input to my G100T combo with bass turned all the way down. Created such a warm and creamy tone.
Ya, it could be. But, if you had 7(made up number) amps, you "could" hook" them all up this way.
Edit: Amps and cabs.
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Amps and cabs you mean. That's what Jaco did I guess. Clean tone with great lows on one 360 rig, distortion on the other. Combining them in one amp/cab requires two preamp channels with volume control.
The cool thing is that you can use a sealed 412 guitar rig for high-mids and treble, while producing the lows with a 18" or 215 rig. Just EQ out the bass on the 12s. One of the things I want to try soon. Use the 408 with a 220 for the clean lows, and the 270+105 for the fuzz. Should create a decent wall of sound while still somewhat defined.
The cool thing is that you can use a sealed 412 guitar rig for high-mids and treble, while producing the lows with a 18" or 215 rig. Just EQ out the bass on the 12s. One of the things I want to try soon. Use the 408 with a 220 for the clean lows, and the 270+105 for the fuzz. Should create a decent wall of sound while still somewhat defined.
Hey, I just tried this and you're right, this is way cool! I have always thought that the 140 tonestack was a bit limited but this bridgeing adds for much more available sounds. Much better to get a more scooped sound which is not possible with one channel alone. There is a lot going on in the midrange when you adjust the volume for each channel with one bassy channel and one bright. Thanks for the suggestion!
yup, I consider an "amp" as a complete unit either head/cab or a combo.
Head + cab = amp.
My thoughts only.
Definitely yes for the 320, you can mix the two channels to add/subtract whatever Treble/Mid/Bass you like with no limitations.
The 330 is similar but you have to be aware of a phase issue between the two preamps -- there's an extra active stage in the B preamp that flips phase. So if you boost Bass in both preamp channels the same amount you're going to get cancellation. On the other hand, because of the phase relationship you can play around and get different sounds than with a 320.
I like the 330 best because of the reverb & master volume, but I don't mix or blend channels -- I set one up for clean sound and the other for dirty sound and switch between the two. That said, one of my far, far away rainy day projects is to cobble together a simple little phase reversal box to plug into the 330's rear in/out channel jacks to try and match the two preamp output phases.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I can't see any channel mixing or jumpering capabilities on the 450/470. The 470 does have two preamp channels, but AFAIK it's either/or only.
My bad. I knew they had two channels, but indeed only one input. So that is not possible. So the 140/150 is the only option to blend channels. Add a 370/270 as poweramp and it's the 2nd gen equivalent of the 320/330
I do exactly the same thing on my 320. The amount of 'separation ' is amazing and allows for some radical tones. Those components were definitely pro-grade for the time in a way that's too expensive to reproduce now apparently.
I'm always stunned by the back part of the ACC chain when I use a modern preamp into the power section/speaker cab. Sounds amazing and shows how well those components are matched.
E.G. @Count Bassie try sending your Elf pre into the power amp in on any of your ACC rigs. Great fun!
Hmmm Mesa tube into 370 power amp... I know what I'm doing next time I can open up some volume
I'm going to find out/remember who we should both thank for that!
I'll keep eyes peeled in my neighborhood for you.Glad I asked, I really need one now
I had to chime in on this. I've told this story a bunch of times before. But...
Way back in the day, we were part of an outdoor festival style gig, where everyone was instructed to set up their backlines the night before. The stage was guarded, so it's not quite as crazy as that sounds to me now. But I think as much as it was supposed to be for fast turnovers between bands, it was probably really to make it look badass to have the whole back of the stage area be full of amps all the way across. For the first couple/few acts, they actually just used their own gear like they would normally...But then, someone who had a couple of extra cords jumpered the inputs of a couple of amps. And then the next act jumpered a few more..by the time we went on, ALL of he amps had been getting used for a while. Considering there were more than a dozen bands, and that every band had a bass player and at least one guitar player, that's a LOT of amps.
So for that show I played through a FenderAmpegAcousticPeaveyRandall rig and my guitar player went through a FenderMarshallLaneyMesa/BoogieOrangePeavey rig. It was a surprisingly sophisticated sound. And it was certainly a LOT of sound.
Edit: I'd done the more basic version of this before with great results. My main amp for a while was an SVT that had a bad tube. But since I'd never had one without that fault, I didn't know they weren't supposed to distort like that. And I liked it. Shortly before I sold it because of the cost of re-tubing (FOURTEEN tubes! FOURTEEN!) I got an Acoustic 361 rig. I would play with the two of them jumpered for rehearsals. It was epic. The sound was huge, complex, and basically glorious. But in no way worth transporting BOTH of those monstrously large amps for a show.
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I live in CT - Sold my 140/106 in mint condition with covers back in the early 90's - brings back good memories. I liked the amp a lot - sold it to "upgrade" to Peavey Mark IV and 1820 which never got the sound I wanted. Got rid of that for GK 800RB and 410 cab which was heaven.
I've just spent another $100 getting a mess of electrolytic caps replaced in my 370. That's a few visits now since I've owned it - not that long - and I need this to be a reliable amp. I'm not a collector, I just need it to do its thing when called upon.
Anybody have some wisdom on this? Am I good and should chill, our should I look for a newer machine?
Thanks for your time.
Anybody have some wisdom on this? Am I good and should chill, our should I look for a newer machine?
Thanks for your time.
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If it develops more problems in the near future, let it go and find another one, it's cursed.
If it runs like it should, keep it.
