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#12,021
iagtrplyr said:
Looking at your argument, wouldn't we have to define 'benefit?' What may benefit you may not be a benefit to others. If saving a people is considered a widely-known (and approved) benefit, then yes, you are compelled to do so. But the innocent homeless person's body parts are perhaps given for the benefit of a single selfish individual, so where's the benefit? At that, does the act have to benefit the majority to be even considered a positive act? (Mods, this is more of a philosophical discussion).

By the same token, when turning to equipment, must I purchase the Positive Grid Spark and find out all about it to offer benefit to my fellow combo aficionados? I feel it may be my duty to offer that to all, and while it may be self-sacrifice, I must do what I must do. Thanks, Doc, for helping me see more clearly!
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Benefit is easy to define. It is just the best consequences. So killing the homeless person does not bring about the most benefit because it doesn't bring about the best consequences as four people die. It can still be wrong, as right and wrong is not always determined by the best consequences. Sometimes it is determined by what we owe to individuals based on their own decisions. So if I don't want to sacrifice myself to benefit the majority can the majority still compell me to do such?

It is a relentless debate in applied ethics - individual freedom vs benefit of the majority - and is at the heart of most public debates. This is what makes them so intractable.
 
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Doctor Intrepid said:
Benefit is easy to define. It is just the best consequences. So killing the homeless person does not bring about the most benefit because it doesn't bring about the best consequences as four people die. It can still be wrong, as right and wrong is not always determined by the best consequences. Sometimes it is determined by what we owe to individuals based on their own decisions. So if I don't want to sacrifice myself to benefit the majority can the majority still compell me to do such?

It is a relentless debate in applied ethics - individual freedom vs benefit of the majority - and is at the heart of most public debates. This is what makes them so intractable.
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Great points, all. Loved the discussion even at half asleep.


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=RDxT445Q3WmIE&feature=share&playnext=1

So here's a link to this guy from Boston who I've watched demoing equipment and seems pretty knowledgable. He, like many, says the Spark really doesn't do a lot for bass though it sounds nice. Check it out. I haven't bought anything for a couple of months and am getting itchy. SoulReflection and I are putting our own DIY recording studios together and he's way ahead of me and I think with a more positive attitude. I could use a set of monitors, but would rather buy a quirky combo for fun. Doc, do the benefits outweigh my wife's wrath? :eek:
 
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Doctor Intrepid said:
Benefit is easy to define. It is just the best consequences. So killing the homeless person does not bring about the most benefit because it doesn't bring about the best consequences as four people die. It can still be wrong, as right and wrong is not always determined by the best consequences. Sometimes it is determined by what we owe to individuals based on their own decisions. So if I don't want to sacrifice myself to benefit the majority can the majority still compell me to do such?

It is a relentless debate in applied ethics - individual freedom vs benefit of the majority - and is at the heart of most public debates. This is what makes them so intractable.
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For the benefit of the overpopulation, we should consider that the 4 people crashed into the homeless person. Which is better for the majority.:bag::blackeye:
 
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Doctor Intrepid said:
Benefit is easy to define. It is just the best consequences. So killing the homeless person does not bring about the most benefit because it doesn't bring about the best consequences as four people die. It can still be wrong, as right and wrong is not always determined by the best consequences. Sometimes it is determined by what we owe to individuals based on their own decisions. So if I don't want to sacrifice myself to benefit the majority can the majority still compell me to do such?

It is a relentless debate in applied ethics - individual freedom vs benefit of the majority - and is at the heart of most public debates. This is what makes them so intractable.
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I and some friends have debated this sort of concept in the past: if a person is depending on another person's body part for life (say a kidney), does the person who will die have a right to that kidney?

Many times the discussion is interesting, but spirals into the answer of "no, a person who will die without a particular kidney does not have a right to the kidney of an other." Then a person spins it in a different direction which I'm sure you may be able to guess, and the political aspect comes into it and the whole debate kicks off again.

So nothing great learned, but spirited debate.
;)
 
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Spirited debates are often best on walk a ice cream for everyone.

What I notice is when I have difficulty with my fretting hand it's because of a difficulty with my plucking hand. The other way around is what mind might assume, but it ain't so for me.
 
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Mvf said:
Congrats GP. I actually went the other way, I used to have an Epi EB0, then got a Gibson 68 EB0, and now I have a 66 EB3.
Maybe you’re interested joining this club SG & EB Bass Club
A lot of nicely modded Epis there..;)
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I'll check it out. Thanks.(I never shoulda sold the 66 EB-3. It wasn't being played and it 'deserved' a good home)
 
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GwenOnBass said:
Spirited debates are often best on walk a ice cream for everyone.

What I notice is when I have difficulty with my fretting hand it's because of a difficulty with my plucking hand. The other way around is what mind might assume, but it ain't so for me.
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Always, always, always my plucking hand. My fret/finger -board hand is much more trustworthy. (It's, I think, of a piece with, as I grow older, my finding speech becoming more difficult. ETA: Righties are typically left brained.) Further ETA: by trustworthy I mean my left hand not only knows what to do, but when to do it - strict tempo!.
 
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GwenOnBass said:
Spirited debates are often best on walk a ice cream for everyone.

What I notice is when I have difficulty with my fretting hand it's because of a difficulty with my plucking hand. The other way around is what mind might assume, but it ain't so for me.
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I like your debate style! Debating on an ice cream walk sounds like the best way to smooth over any rough edges caused by caustic remarks.

I've noticed that sometimes my fretting hand is not quite in time with my plucking hand. Strangely, it's better when I use a pick. Not sure what is causing the disconnect between finger timing, or if it's always been there and I was just not paying enough attention to notice. Which hand is to blame has not even begun to be sussed out yet.
 
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RodRy said:
I like your debate style! Debating on an ice cream walk sounds like the best way to smooth over any rough edges caused by caustic remarks.

I've noticed that sometimes my fretting hand is not quite in time with my plucking hand. Strangely, it's better when I use a pick. Not sure what is causing the disconnect between finger timing, or if it's always been there and I was just not paying enough attention to notice. Which hand is to blame has not even begun to be sussed out yet.
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The pick business is very interesting. Maybe fewer moving parts? I haven't a clue.
 
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Doctor Intrepid said:
Unfortunately the reasoning on each side is not just political, which is forbidden on TB, but ethical. Trying to run things as normal would benefit the majority, and some times providing the most benefit is the right thing to do. As I tell my students, lying to the Nazi to save the Jewish family your basement is right because (when) it produces the most benefit. Alternatively, it is also wrong to harm a minority to benefit a majority. Think of killing a homeless person to use their body parts to save four victims of a car accident. Each side is compelling and that is why there are passionate debates. So the question is: are we lying to Nazis or in a car crash?
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Yes.
 
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RodRy said:
I like your debate style! Debating on an ice cream walk sounds like the best way to smooth over any rough edges caused by caustic remarks.

I've noticed that sometimes my fretting hand is not quite in time with my plucking hand. Strangely, it's better when I use a pick. Not sure what is causing the disconnect between finger timing, or if it's always been there and I was just not paying enough attention to notice. Which hand is to blame has not even begun to be sussed out yet.
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In the mid 80's I used both fingers and pick[not at the same time]depending on the effect I wanted per song. Now my picking prowess isn't. I s'pose I could woodshed.
Nah.
 
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Haroldo said:
Always, always, always my plucking hand. My fret/finger -board hand is much more trustworthy. (It's, I think, of a piece with, as I grow older, my finding speech becoming more difficult. ETA: Righties are typically left brained.) Further ETA: by trustworthy I mean my left hand not only knows what to do, but when to do it - strict tempo!.
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I'm much the same. My problems arise when I'm "thinking" the plucking too much and trying to alternate fingers appropriately - which ends up affecting my timing. Left hand always where it needs to be. This issue really started upon teaching myself bass - I tended to be a one finger wonder...:bag:
 
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bhendrix said:
I'm much the same. My problems arise when I'm "thinking" the plucking too much and trying to alternate fingers appropriately - which ends up affecting my timing. Left hand always where it needs to be. This issue really started upon teaching myself bass - I tended to be a one finger wonder...:bag:
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Worked for Jamerson.
 
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