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The Fender Bassman 100T thread
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The 610 is, I think, the best cab I have played from Fender and indeed many others. You wouldnt regret buying one, Cool. To me it is a do any gig cabinet that is easy enpough tto move and not too big for small gigs but can also cut the mustard on a big stage. It sounded great with my SVT VR and handled it fine.
Hey Freight Train, I know what you mean about the Super Bassman - I have been thinking of adding one myself. Then I remind myself that it is heavier than the 100T and noticeably less easy to schlep. I sort of thought I could use the 100T for rehearsals and the Super for gigs but to be honest the 100T seems to be enough for most gigs. Plus since I added the Winged Cs I am sure I have a little more clean headroom too.
Hey Freight Train, I know what you mean about the Super Bassman - I have been thinking of adding one myself. Then I remind myself that it is heavier than the 100T and noticeably less easy to schlep. I sort of thought I could use the 100T for rehearsals and the Super for gigs but to be honest the 100T seems to be enough for most gigs. Plus since I added the Winged Cs I am sure I have a little more clean headroom too.
I'm totally with you on that. I think the 100T is perfect for exactly the reason you're saying. The couple of gigs I've done with it on larger stages, it's had no problem with the 410neo providing plenty of stage volume. And of course on the standard club gigs with no mains support it rocks. I personally don't have a need for a Super Bassman at all, it'd just be so freaking awesome to have both of them. These could go on to be classic amps.
But practically, since I already have the Crown amp, the logical thing would be to add a 2nd 410neo. That'd be major versatility - 100T w/single 410, or 100T w/dual 410, or 100T/Crown power w/dual 410. That should cover just about anything.
Plus these days if you are on a stage that needs 300 tube watts, the chances are that it will be already provided in the backline.
I am tempted by the 300, but knowing me I would just start using it all the time - I loves me clean tube headroom, can't get enough of it
I am tempted by the 300, but knowing me I would just start using it all the time - I loves me clean tube headroom, can't get enough of it
You are going to be one very happy Barisaxman. The perfect combination IMO. Looking forward to hearing a report back after your first gig with it.
After spending quite some time critically listening to the 100T with the new tubes one thing I am sure is that for me I am glad I chose the 100T over the Super Bassman 300. The new tubes thing is interesting but not a deal maker or breaker as I was more than happy with the original Groove Tubes and still would be if I had not swapped.
But, one thing all this listening has convinced me of is that the 100T does go very loud and I like it to be driven a bit to really get that Fendery tone I crave. I originally thought when I did the tube swap that I had lost a little top end, but what I failed to allow for is that the top end comes back when you start to drive the amp a bit. With the 100T I can get that drive and tone at a reasonable volume - with the Super 300 I am sure that I would be verging on being over the top for many gigs if I wanted that nice hint of power tube break up and compression which appeals to me.
So...... my gas for the Super 300 has gone and boy do I love the 100T. Best purchase I have made in many a year
But, one thing all this listening has convinced me of is that the 100T does go very loud and I like it to be driven a bit to really get that Fendery tone I crave. I originally thought when I did the tube swap that I had lost a little top end, but what I failed to allow for is that the top end comes back when you start to drive the amp a bit. With the 100T I can get that drive and tone at a reasonable volume - with the Super 300 I am sure that I would be verging on being over the top for many gigs if I wanted that nice hint of power tube break up and compression which appeals to me.
So...... my gas for the Super 300 has gone and boy do I love the 100T. Best purchase I have made in many a year
hey guys maybe somebody can help me understand "to move more air". Like the way the 610 is said to move more air. So ive been looking at the 610 and at the moment i can get a good financing deal on it. but have been thinking about the 115 to pair with my goliath III. both cabs are 8 ohm so theres no prob there. I would buy matching grill cloth for the goliath so everything would be a pretty match. But looks are the least of my concern. Would the 410 goliath and 115 paired together move air like the 610? do u think 410/115 would be more versatile then the 610? Thanks!!!!
Did he say mixing speaker sizes...
Many people are vehemently opposed to mixing speaker sizes because of phasing issues, etc, and more so from different manufacturers. Lot's of physics gets thrown around. Likewise, many people, say bullocks and that it sounds good to them. Let's just say it's a hot topic. Do a search and you'll find plenty of argumentative post on the subject.
gotcha. yea i read some. i thought matching a 410 and 115 has been done for a long time due to its versatility. the 15 for the lows and 410 for mids and highs. but i really know JS and thats why i love TB! anyways yea mixing brands or tones/flavors i could see maybe not working out. it sucks living in such an isolated area. Music stores are 60+ miles away and concentrate more on the guitar player then bass player. meaning the have much more guitar's and guitar amp's. so its tough for me to go try gear out first.
u mean a 15 can be all sorts of things not just lows. right? do u know about "moving air" and why its a good thing? 410/115 vs 610 air movement battle
The quick/dirty concept of "moving air" is simply that a cabinet with four 10" speakers has more speaker surface area than a single 15". Essentially you get the benefit of acoustic coupling of mulitiple drivers, making the same cabinet louder given the same power input. The "easiest" way to acheive more volume is with more drivers, as opposed to more power.
Again, disclaimer that this is a VERY simplistic interpretation.
Again, disclaimer that this is a VERY simplistic interpretation.
thanks barisaxman! when i was thinkin on it i came up with pretty much the same idea. more speakers move more air and the more air u own/occupy the better u can be heard or louder u can be...... So did u get ur rig yet? Whet do ya think? Where u bought it did u get to a/b the 410 and 610 or 115? Thanks again!
JUST IN My OPINION AND EXPERIENCE (so put the guns away), with all things being equal, a 4x10 can easily outperform a 1x15. By all things being equal, I mean same cab design philosophy, same quality of driver, same manufacturer. As someone pointed out, the design of the cab has as much to do with the result as the size of the speaker(s). So given that, yes, it's all about moving air. Comparing a 410 and a 115, look at what you have; 15" of speaker cone vs. 40" of speaker cone pushing and pulling air molecules. So which do you think can move more air? Plus, the 10" speaker has a much lower mass, making it easier for the amp to control, resulting in a tighter, more defined sound. So just IN MY OPINION, pairing a 410 and a 115 is a total waste. If you prefer the sound of 15's, go with a pair of 1x15 cabs. If you like the speed of the 10's, go with a pair of 4x10's. Personally, I even prefer a single 410 over a pair of 115's.
Also, mixing cabs from different manufacturers, or even different series of cabs from the same manufacturer, is a total crap shoot. It might work, it might be a total mess. I personally can't grasp why someone would do this, but if you have it in mind by all means drag your existing cab to the music store (if they don't have one) so you can hear the combination before you commit.
100T/6x10 neo on hold at the local shop. Oh yes...
You're gonna have to change your handle to Verysexman.
To back up Freight Train,years ago I paired a Fender 410 with a Fender 115 in a stack but the 115 would always fart out too early. In that particular case the 410 was preferable to two fifteens IMO. Plus the fifteen was getting half the wattage output of the amp which was too much for it, while the 410 could easily handle its half of the output then plus some - hence the farting of the 115.
So far as tens versus fifteens go, I used to be a tens man through and through but some of the new fifteen cabs are right up there. My (sadly no longer produced) Bergantino 215 is more open, faster and punchier than many 610 cabs I have played - but it does have a 6" driver as well (incidentally it sounds fabulous with the 100T). I like the Fender Neo 610 cab with the 100T because it does "move more air" - as Freight Train puts it 60" of speaker cone versus 15" or even 40" of a 410 suits the 100T nicely because in the rare occasion that 100 tube watts are not enough you still get some apparent boost from the extra cones mocving more air. Hope this helps.
So far as tens versus fifteens go, I used to be a tens man through and through but some of the new fifteen cabs are right up there. My (sadly no longer produced) Bergantino 215 is more open, faster and punchier than many 610 cabs I have played - but it does have a 6" driver as well (incidentally it sounds fabulous with the 100T). I like the Fender Neo 610 cab with the 100T because it does "move more air" - as Freight Train puts it 60" of speaker cone versus 15" or even 40" of a 410 suits the 100T nicely because in the rare occasion that 100 tube watts are not enough you still get some apparent boost from the extra cones mocving more air. Hope this helps.
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