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The Great Bass Preamp/DI Comparison

I'm sorry, I wrote such an idiocy. LOL.
1/4 out is mandatory and it's clearly in the pedal. Thanks. :p

Happens to the best of us!

I'm very much looking forward to the Edison/Q combination when I can justify a purchase (aka when gigs start happening again).

Another tip since you also have the Q: The Trickfish Minnow is pretty highly regarded in this thread, and @jacoby75 posted Jayme Lewis' livestream demo of the Minnow... Great video and worth a watch. In particular, try dialing up the EQ points that he talks about in there, the mid EQ points in particular are quite nice. That plus the Edison? I can only imagine how tasty it will be, and might not be able to hold off on an Edison next time they come in stock.* :cool:

Jump past all the down time at the beginning of Jayme's video time at the beginning and go to roughly the 26:00 mark for the mid freq demos. Tasty!

*My G.A.S. tells me I still want to eventually try a Minnow, too. ha ha

Jayme Lewis did a fantastic in-depth video of it. It's over an hour long, and ain't nobody got time for that. Even during quarantine. But if you skip ahead to the pertinent portions of playing (alliteration intended) there are some fantastic demonstrations of the clean, smooth, punchy goodness it's capable of.



5sg.
 
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Another tip since you also have the Q: The Trickfish Minnow is pretty highly regarded in this thread, and @jacoby75 posted Jayme Lewis' livestream demo of the Minnow... Great video and worth a watch. In particular, try dialing up the EQ points that he talks about in there, the mid EQ points in particular are quite nice. That plus the Edison? I can only imagine how tasty it will be, and might not be able to hold off on an Edison next time they come in stock.* :cool:
Not at all the same thing, but last night I tried the EBS Valve Drive into the Minnow. Very tasty indeed. Modern to vintage tube amp growl with the combination of the VD and fantastic EQ points of the Minnow. More clarity and punch than with my VD and Broughton SVPre. Can't wait to once again some day try all of these things outside of the house.
 
Not at all the same thing, but last night I tried the EBS Valve Drive into the Minnow. Very tasty indeed. Modern to vintage tube amp growl with the combination of the VD and fantastic EQ points of the Minnow. More clarity and punch than with my VD and Broughton SVPre. Can't wait to once again some day try all of these things outside of the house.

That Valve drive DI is definitely up towards the top end of my G.A.S. list at the moment. I've watched one on Reverb, and the seller has messaged me twice with price drops. Not a spectacular price, but still tempting. Still trying to keep the willpower up though.

5sg.
 
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More of an OD, but since the ValveDrive is being mentioned a lot, has anyone else here ever used a Hughes and Kettner Tube Factor? It's an incredible sounding thing with all the dimensionality and pleasantness we like from tube gear, but the power and size considerations mean most people familiar with it have moved on despite pining for something as good sounding. If you have used one and know of anything that sounds remotely similar I'd love to know.
 
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Sonicake Boom Avenue
Got the Sonicake Boom Ave. in today and put it through it's paces. For those of you with a short attention span or who subscribe to TLDR (too long didn't read)...this sucker is clearly a SansAmp clone. I mean, it sounds dead up like a SansAmp which I've never really gotten along well with. The compressor is not my cup of tea, but if I turned the dial fully counterclockwise (which should be off) it worked okay. I could tell a big difference when I switched it off and on.

The fuzz is...well...a fuzz. If you are into that sort of thing, it'll do the job.

The preamp EQ section is the familiar SansAmp type. I did my best to get a tone I liked, but just like every SansAmp pedal I've ever used it has this mid scoopy hollow sounding thing going on that I just don't care for and I can't dial it out. I'm a huge fan of big fat round warm bottom and low mids. This thing just won't give me that. Some folks love that mid scoop tone and this thing would be a slappers delight.

The octave works fairly well...the two below (Oct2) is fairly worthless. Just mud. It tracks pretty good until the note falls off. It was no match for my 3 Leaf Audio Octabvre Mini...but my octave pedal cost more than the Sonicake.

The unit is very quiet. I ran it off of a Pedaltrain Volto battery to keep out any dirty power since I didn't have any extra capacity on my PowerMax and didn't feel like unwiring something else.

So, my synopsis....if you like the SansAmp tone...you absolutely can't go wrong with this $80 preamp. It's built like a tank in an all metal housing. The switches are high quality "clickless" switches and all the jacks are solid. Very impressive build quality for the money.

Here's a sound clip I made.

  1. First part is just the compressor and Preamp
  2. Second part is the Fuzz, preamp, and compressor.
  3. Third part is the preamp, compressor, and octave
Here's the settings:View attachment 3641687


For comparison sake, here's a clip of my pedal board. Signal chain is FEA Labs DE-CL compressor, 3 Leaf Audio Octabvre Mini, FEA Labs Photon Fuzz II, [sfx]microThumpinator, and Shift Line Olympic MkIIIs. It's currently set to my "goldilocks" tone. I love the way it sounds. Total value of all those pedals is in the $1200 range not including the cables and power supply. So it's not a fair fight against an $80 preamp. If you like the SansAmp tone, you may thing the Sonicake sounds better.

Pedal Board Clip:


I would really want to know if this unit contains some type of speaker/cabinet sim when connected through DI output...?
Plugged directly to PA or a active full range speaker, will overdriven sounds sound digitally (buzzy/harsh/fizzy)..?
 
Happens to the best of us!
I'm very much looking forward to the Edison/Q combination when I can justify a purchase (aka when gigs start happening again).
Another tip since you also have the Q: The Trickfish Minnow is pretty highly regarded in this thread, and @jacoby75 posted Jayme Lewis' livestream demo of the Minnow... Great video and worth a watch. In particular, try dialing up the EQ points that he talks about in there, the mid EQ points in particular are quite nice. That plus the Edison? I can only imagine how tasty it will be, and might not be able to hold off on an Edison next time they come in stock.* :cool:
Jump past all the down time at the beginning of Jayme's video time at the beginning and go to roughly the 26:00 mark for the mid freq demos. Tasty!
*My G.A.S. tells me I still want to eventually try a Minnow, too. ha ha
5sg.
I'm really loving my QStrip and I barely scratched its surface. Honestly, I'm surprised that isn't very talked-about here.
About the Minnow: I was about to order one, when I realized it doesn't fit my board and I didn't want to tear everything apart since I'm already happy with my SLO. I just wanted to try a different flavour of preamp, something more surgical. The QStrip was my second choice and I'm really, really happy with it. Like I said, I prefer having this pedal on my desk or in my gig bag, definitely not in my pedalboard.
I'll try to copy Jayme's Minnow settings on my QStrip and report back asap, thanks for the link.
About the Edison: it's an interesting pedal, with a simple and fascinating design. Usually I'm attracted by products like this but it needs to be pushed by another pedal to go into breakup, it doesn't have an EQ and output options. I already have a SLO and I'm gonna run it into my QStrip during the weekend to see how they work together. When it comes to tube tone, I'm already covered.
 
I know this thread is about Preamps and DIs, but whilst on the topic of creating tube like feel with neutral sounding Preamps, the Fairfield Modele B is a great little box for adding colour and a little tube like breakup. My Nano Board with MXR M81, Fairfield Modele B, and Becos CompIQ on it sound as good as anything I have
 
I had to satisfy my curiosity so I ordered a NuX Melvin Lee. Should be here later today to try out. It will be hard for it to dethrone my Studio One, but hey, still wanted to check it out.

I'll be interested in hearing your comparison.
 
Interesting. Sitting here in front of my budget studio monitors are can't hear a discernible difference in the first few minutes of the comparison.
+1

Same conclusion. In fact, I have stopped evaluating the preamp/DI's based on their DI, but rather on how well they function driving my backline rig.

Why? Because most of them cover the DI thing really well. Discriminating on the DI for me is less noticeable than how well they can drive a power section. My rack preamps still quite noticeably outperform the smaller preamp/DI's; so, that's where I hear the bigger gap.
 
Interesting. Sitting here in front of my budget studio monitors are can't hear a discernible difference in the first few minutes of the comparison.
I can only hear a difference on the E string. It sounds just a bit fuller with the Mesa Subway.

I'd like to note that at end when he shows the RNDI and Subway together, he has the Thru of the RNDI connected to the Subway which puts the input impedance of each in parallel.

- John
 
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