the NEW bugera 3600 watt amp

[seamonkey]

You are right. The maximum power you can draw from a 120 VAC socket giving 15A is 1800 watts.
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Class-AB with conventional power supply is 50% efficient at most. That gives you only 900W from a 15A circuit. Yeah, it's music, and there's peaks, and capacitors can store power, but 900W continuous is what you're going to get. If you like to hold or drone notes it's continuous wattage you care about.

Class-D with special switching power supplies can get 90%+ efficiency - 1600W+
Class-d is the loudest

Time to call in the FTC, EIA, and EIAJ, or even THX - only believe manufacturers who publish measurements to one of these standards.

You can buy non standard amps and they may work fine for your needs but you never will be sure the power they put out.

 

[seamonkey]

Actually, it's a copy of this amp with reverb added. Most of the Bugera tube amps are exact copies of Peavey amps. The schematics are identical. They even copy the stuff they don't have to because they don't know what it does!

Sue them
Is there really any IP in tube amp designs these days? Except for Markbass I don't see a lot. Same old schematics everywhere.

 

[Bongolation]

Man... I feel stupid that I've been judging amps for so long based on such flawed criteria... Tone, power and reliability mean nothing when your amp isn't backed by a crack team of technical writers!

And translators!

Yes, this is a ridiculous point.

Behringer should spend the money on better quality components and quality control, not huge instruction books in twelve or fourteen languages with every piece of crappy gear they make.

 

[BASS SUCKS]

If you combine that much wattage with Behringer's "famous" engineering, I wouldn't be surprised if that piece of junk behaved more like a nuke than they advertise.

I'll never forget the review of a Behringer Ultrabass on Musician's Friend where a guy said that his amp burned his house down and ruined his life.

Haha, I want to read this, link please?

 

[seamonkey]

I own some behringer gear. The quality is fine. The rack gear is quiet and reliable. Even the plastic pedals hold up fine. Car bumpers have been made of plastic for years. Behringer support is good, they actually answer questions. Other manufacturers I've much more for, no - reply - and lots of hold time.
Behringer has been around, run by Behringer for 20 years. Pretty good - they must have value.

 

[RTL]

Haha, I want to read this, link please?

+1! I actually went looking for it after reading this. Haha.

 

[G2K]

Why would I want a distortion free performance?

I bet it would blow a little 1x8" pretty damn fast. Probably in one note.

Not true, my 0.1 OHM - 8" can handle 4200 Watts

 

[Foamy]

No you can't - not from the same outlet or on the same circuit. Plug in a couple 1500 watt hair dryers into the same 2-outlet and see what happens. Umm...then turn them on. ;-)

This is funny because im quite sure that i can use all the electrical things at my home at the same time consuming a lot more than 3600W...

 

[Bongolation]

I own some behringer gear. The quality is fine. The rack gear is quiet and reliable. Even the plastic pedals hold up fine.

You've been either exceptionally lucky or exceptionally oblivious.

I think much of the griping against Behringer is totally uninformed and factually incorrect (they don't "rip off exact copies" of much, and certainly not anything legitimately covered by patent -- that's the big forum lie), but their performance quality is inconsistent, components cheap and assembly poor...just like every other cheaper Asian import. The couple of small pieces of Behringer gear I have, I had to repair out of the box prior to use.

I don't need that kind of uncertainty in an amp with which I perform, no matter what the brand. I can shop hard and get great deals on much better equipment.

 

[vene-nemesis]

I have only been playing bass now for 47 years, so I must defer to those of you with more experience, but I have always found that when the english instructions to equipment have been written by someone illiterate in english, then the equipment is a a "Piece of #$%".

Jerzy Drozd english is crapy and iliterate, how does that fit your experience?

 

[seamonkey]

You've been either exceptionally lucky or exceptionally oblivious.

Nope - just a consumer. The stuff works fine for me, right out of the box.
The Behringer, stores, distributors, would all loose money if everyone had to replace their gear on the Behringer warranty exchange.
Come on - Somebody will a cell phone camera would have posted a picture the giant warehouse of broken Behringer gear by now. It doesn't exist.

This amp will be solid enough. It just weighs a ton and is not for me. It's surprising sine Behringer owns IP to lightweight class-d/SMPS amp designs.

 

[butchblack]

Man... I feel stupid that I've been judging amps for so long based on such flawed criteria... Tone, power and reliability mean nothing when your amp isn't backed by a crack team of technical writers!

God bless you, sir! God bless us everyone!

While I agree that tone, power, and reliability are much more important criteria then a well written instruction manual, the fact that they took the time, effort, and expense to write the manual so that it reads correctly in English (and I'm assuming the other languages) speaks well of their commitment to producing a quality product. I work for a major retailer in their electronics dept. I have seen more then my share of poorly written instructions abysmally translated into English. Another poster mentioned that the Bugera line is their pro line. Maybe they're trying to shed their reputation for poor quality amps. Only time will tell on that.

 

[pablomigraine]

The only bassists who could possibly find a use for it are either running two Basson 810's or they're playing in doom bands

so what of it? Suppose Ive done both? Are you mocking me?

I'll never forget the review of a Behringer Ultrabass on Musician's Friend where a guy said that his amp burned his house down and ruined his life.

YES I remember that!!

Seriously tho.... my DCM 1000 (1100 REAL watts @ 4Ohms) is all I'll ever need.... and tour with some loud folks...

 

[Bob Lee (QSC)]

Do they resemble Peavey manuals?

 

[joegeezer]

Nope - just a consumer. The stuff works fine for me, right out of the box.
The Behringer, stores, distributors, would all loose money if everyone had to replace their gear on the Behringer warranty exchange.
Come on - Somebody will a cell phone camera would have posted a picture the giant warehouse of broken Behringer gear by now. It doesn't exist.

This amp will be solid enough. It just weighs a ton and is not for me. It's surprising sine Behringer owns IP to lightweight class-d/SMPS amp designs.

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=126974&stc=1&d=1241132443
Yes, I've also had good luck with the Behringer power amps (4) that I run in my PA. I did , for a time try out an EP2500 for bass too, but went for the Carvin DCM2500, because of size issues, as the Behringer amp is a 19" deep amp, and the Carvin makes a better rack sized 'amp head'. But thats really not any big problem anyway. I do find that the Carvin puts out about 150 watts per channel, more power than the Behringer at 4 ohms, so it is more to my liking for that reason too. The Behringer was nice, but the Carvin, a little nicer. Now this Nuke head, after reading the manual IS just as they said a year or so ago, and it IS the same power section as the EP2500, which is 600 watts RMS per channel at 4 ohms. That should make it seem alot tamer to all of the folks questioning it's big power status. Guys that like CA9's wouldn't even practice with one. Sounds like a real nice bi-ampable 450 per side at 8 and 600 per side at 4 ohm, club amp to me. But at the price point of 600 bucks shipped, thats one hell of a deal, IF it sounds nice. I want to try before I condem it. But I'm going to stick with the amp I have at this time.

 

[Jerrold Tiers]

Heh...........

If teh amp puts out 3600W, that must be on 220V....... but in fact, a 3600W amp probably won't ever average over 1800W, and you'll be working hard to get there...... unless you hit the limiter hard......

Looks like Behringer decided to upstage Loud and their attempts to get the 8PRo made overseas.

 

[klyph]

Sounds like a real nice bi-ampable...n, too. A way better deal than a Bear-ringer.

 

[Sylex's Bassist]

The only people who will buy this are 16 years old.

hey, im sixteen i resent that!

haha just kidding, i heard this thing is a piece of ****...

jeesus just attatch this thing to a missle and we'll have to sign another treaty like M.A.D. with Russia lol.

 

[Sylex's Bassist]

Sounds like a real nice bi-ampable...he tube amp version of ****** behringer stuff

 

[Knifedge]

If you combine that much wattage with Behringer's "famous" engineering, I wouldn't be surprised if that piece of junk behaved more like a nuke than they advertise.

I'll never forget the review of a Behringer Ultrabass on Musician's Friend where a guy said that his amp burned his house down and ruined his life.

I LOL'd... I know I shouldn't have... but I fackin' LOL'd.....