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The Official MTD USA Thread

Just another perspective from one who has about a thousand gigs (literally) under his belt with a couple different MTD's (ash/wenge and ash/ash/maple) and lots of rigs.

While these very widely voiced rigs like the Epi UL's with the 502/902, the iAmp500/800, some of the Berg HT models, and the Glock HeartRock/Soul heads sound amazing in the basement or shop with most MTD basses, I found them VERY problematic on the gig (at least in the mixes I perform in). For better or worse, the MTD preamp/active pickup voicing has a VERY wide frequency footprint, which gives the impression of scooped mids to many who play and listen to these basses (especially low mids, where the meat of a bass sound resides)....super deep low end, super sizzly 10K+ upper treble sizzle. When you combine that tonal footprint with heads and cabs that have that same 'super wide hi pass/lo pass filtering' type voice (Epi heads and UL cabs, TecAmp heads, some of the wider voiced Berg HT's like the old HT210, and the HeartRock/Soul class of Glock heads), it can easily be way too much of a good thing, especially if you are playing pop music in a busy mix at high volumes.

That MTD voicing also can cause some headaches for soundpersons with large front of house systems in large venues, if they don't take the time to apply a LOT of EQ tightening/hi pass filtering to those basses.

I find that the MTD's, many of which (especially the wenge necked instruments and also those chambered versions) sounding overly low end extended, overly clicky up top and lacking mid punch with wider voiced rigs, can really work much better with more mid voiced rigs with a bit of built in 'warmth' to take that uber modern edge off the top end.

IMO, and just another point of view from a former MTD user with a LOT if gigs under his belt with these very nice basses. The point is, be careful about becoming overly enamored with the simply amazing, wide, hi fi 'solo' tone of these instruments in a shop or at home. That tone profile can cause a LOT of issues live, especially if you engage the super deeply voiced bass control of that modified Bart on-board pre.

IMO and lots of IME:)

Kjung, I am so happy that you concluded by stating in Your Opinion and in Your Experience. As you know, and those who contribute to these dscussions, know, I have the very rig that you feel can be problematic i.e., Epi UL along with an MTD. And I too have 100's of gigs under my belt with that rig, and have received zero complaints from my soundman and nor do I have any. I too know Andrew Gouche who is the MD for Chaka Khan who plays MTD's and uses Epi gear. He and I have had discussions on this very topic and he has not had your experience. I am not saying that you haven't, but it is important to note that though the formula did not work for you, there are countless others across the world who get the job done with the rig you caution people about. I would say to those reading this thread who are deciding on a rig, read what people are saying, mix that in with what you are looking for, but don't make a decision until you sit down with the gear and listen to it for yourself. As knowledgeable as Kjung is, I write him on occasion to get his input, he only has a set of ears, and they work perfectly for him, but they are no substitution for your own. The above of course is my humble opinion and based upon my experience. :-)
 
I haven't had time to take my own pictures but here are a few taken by the previous owner:

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Oh my. Beautiful.
 
Hey guys. I have two new MTD C strings (.030) that I don't need. One is stainless steel and the other is nickel. If anyone is interested I'm happy to send them out for the cost of postage/packaging. Just PM me your address and tell me which string material you'd prefer.
 
Can the radius of the finger- or fretboard of an MTD bass be specified when placing an order for one? Or is it one size fits all?
Ooohhhh... that's a very interesting question. I do think I've seen MTDs with different radii, but I'm not sure. My gut instinct is that it's jig based, and the answer would either be "no" or have a very limited set of alternatives, or even one (again, if any at all). I'd love to know the answer tho if someone runs it past him.
 
Can the radius of the finger- or fretboard of an MTD bass be specified when placing an order for one? Or is it one size fits all?

I know that at least at one time, Mike offered a skinnier neck option, but I am not sure if this had a different radius.
 
Ooohhhh... that's a very interesting question. I do think I've seen MTDs with different radii, but I'm not sure. My gut instinct is that it's jig based, and the answer would either be "no" or have a very limited set of alternatives, or even one (again, if any at all). I'd love to know the answer tho if someone runs it past him.


Well, I'm in discussions with Mike right now for the purchase of two 535s- a 21 fret fretted, and a 24 ...ah, fret fretless. Didn't get to ask him about the radiussessess (how do you pluralize radius?) yet.

I'm looking for a classic alder body with a maple burl top/maple neck/rosewood fingerboard for the fretted. I forget the woods Mike suggested for the fretless, but Mike said the combination made for the best fretless he ever heard... uh, sounds good to me!

I'm not interested in deviating too much from a classic '60s Jazz tone on the fretted bass's bridge pickup, and thus the wood choices, but would also like to have the capability of a modern tone with the neck pup. I think the standard electronics package will accomplish this. I just missed getting to buy what I was interested in used (this beauty- http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=686388), but that's the way it goes.

I start school full-time at Jeff Berlin's Players School on Monday. I purchased a fretted and a fretless Carvin B50 to have available at school, though I usually only play 4-bangers. The Carvins absolutely suck- the necks are the most ridiculously flexible pos's I've ever dealt with, and I also dropped about $500 to have them re-radiussed to a proper 7.5 degree radius- I am old school. I try to make the best of whatever basses I have, but these two Carvins are beyond redemption. They need new necks, because the stock necks are just too crappy.

So long story short, I'm looking to get an end the discussion, no need to look elsewhere pair of fretted and fretless 5 stringers, and hope that Mike's will be the last fivers I'll need.

By the way, Tom- excellent call on your part in other threads re the GK 112 Neo ll. I bought four of them to stack vertically with my Mesa 400+ (shades of the the Dead circa 1973), and the cabs are fantastic. Played my '65 Jazz through one last night, using a WWUltra...my goodness, I've rarely heard such a fantastic tone. I don't mind spending money, but I love the phrase good enough means good enough, and the GKs are most definitely good enough.
 
By the way, Tom- excellent call on your part in other threads re the GK 112 Neo ll. I bought four of them to stack vertically with my Mesa 400+ (shades of the the Dead circa 1973), and the cabs are fantastic. Played my '65 Jazz through one last night, using a WWUltra...my goodness, I've rarely heard such a fantastic tone.

Happy to help! :D

That 4xNeo112-II rig must sound awesome! :eek: :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :cool:
 
I know that at least at one time, Mike offered a skinnier neck option, but I am not sure if this had a different radius.
Nah, that was just the narrower nut, which used to be an option to the wider nut like on my old red bass. Now, I think it's the other way around, but in both cases, the radius was the same. In fact, my newest one is the narrower nut and my Marilyn is the older wider nut, so I have the direct compario here.
 
I'm not interested in deviating too much from a classic '60s Jazz tone on the fretted bass's bridge pickup, and thus the wood choices, but would also like to have the capability of a modern tone with the neck pup. I think the standard electronics package will accomplish this

IMO the bridge pickup on an MTD sounds NOTHING like the bridge pickup on a 60's J.. NO SIMILARITY. That big active bart soapbar placed extremely close to the bridge (closer than a 70's position J to my eye and ear) creates a lot of that upper sparkle and treble of the MTD's when blended with the neck pickup (which when solo'd sounds suprisingly like a P Bass... a LOT like a P Bass). The solo'd MTD bridge pickup is very thin to me. It can be burped and 'meated up' by boosting the 250hz low setting on the mid control, and that will give you 'modern burp heaven', but it is nothing like the growl of a jazz pickup in 60's position.

Just a warning IMO and IME.
 
IMO the bridge pickup on an MTD sounds NOTHING like the bridge pickup on a 60's J.. NO SIMILARITY. That big active bart soapbar placed extremely close to the bridge (closer than a 70's position J ot my eye and ear) creates a lot of that upper sparkle and treble of the MTD's when blended with the neck pickup (which when solo'd sounds suprisingly like a P Bass... a LOT like a P Bass). The solo'd MTD bridge pickup is very thin to me. It can be burped and 'meated up' by boosting the 250hz low setting on the mid control, and that will give you 'modern burp heaven', but it is nothing like the growl of a jazz pickup in 60's position.

Just a warning IMO and IME.

Have to agree with Ken on this:rollno:. JK KJ;)
 
IMO the bridge pickup on an MTD sounds NOTHING like the bridge pickup on a 60's J.. NO SIMILARITY. That big active bart soapbar placed extremely close to the bridge (closer than a 70's position J ot my eye and ear) creates a lot of that upper sparkle and treble of the MTD's when blended with the neck pickup (which when solo'd sounds suprisingly like a P Bass... a LOT like a P Bass). The solo'd MTD bridge pickup is very thin to me. It can be burped and 'meated up' by boosting the 250hz low setting on the mid control, and that will give you 'modern burp heaven', but it is nothing like the growl of a jazz pickup in 60's position.

Just a warning IMO and IME.

Big +1 here. The bridge pickup on an MTD is in a completely different tonal universe than a 60's J bridge pickup. Not good or bad - just totally different.

JC
 
Oh, well that just complicates things. I'll have to hear and play one in person regardless, to see if the bass fits. I think it is one of the most aesthetically pleasing designs I've seen, but that can blind one to the actual suitablility of a particular bass- I learned that with Rickenbacker 4003s.

I was hoping that the wood selection might help get it more in the jazz bass tonal realm on the bridge pickup.
 
Big +1 here. The bridge pickup on an MTD is in a completely different tonal universe than a 60's J bridge pickup. Not good or bad - just totally different.
Yeah, not to dogpile on the poster, but really, this is important to understand. The MTD basses are absolutely magic, but they're not at all J basses.
 
Oh, well that just complicates things. I'll have to hear and play one in person regardless, to see if the bass fits. I think it is one of the most aesthetically pleasing designs I've seen, but that can blind one to the actual suitablility of a particular bass- I learned that with Rickenbacker 4003s.

I was hoping that the wood selection might help get it more in the jazz bass tonal realm on the bridge pickup.
It's simple. If you want a J bass, get a J bass, or a faithful clone.

HOWEVER, that's NOT to say you can't have a comparable cutting or punchiness characteristic in the right wood combos on an MTD.

So it boils down to what you REALLY want. Do you want punch and cut similar to what a J bass can do, or do you actually want a faithful J bass tone? If you want the former, you're fine. If you want the latter, as much as I hate to say this, you need to go to a different brand of bass. Period.

Oh, and P.S. No MTD will ever have the massive cutting problem the Rics have... my gosh... absolutely the most power hungry bass I've ever owned because you have to overcome that huge "dissappearing in the mix" problem in those guys. Wow. Never again.
 
Vic- thanks for explaining what an MTD can do. Sounds like they might suit. Don't need a Jazz clone, per se. I like vintage Jazz Basses- it's really hard to get the tone they have from newer basses, although I've been pleased with some of the Custom Shop offerings. But I'd like more clarity- hearing more of the round wound strings' tone.

The MTDs will serve for jazz and fusion work- I think they'll do fine in that capacity.

My main issue with the Rics was ergodynamic- just too uncomfortable to play. The right angle edges of the binding bit into my forearm.

Anyway, I'll definitely be looking into the MTDs more. The other basses on the short list are Dave Segal's New York Bass Works products. Dave is a serious Jazz Bass afficianado, and designed his basses to be a continuation and improvement on their good and bad points, afaict. I really prefer the way Mike's basses look (sorry Dave!), but ultimately function trumps form.
 
Vic- thanks for explaining what an MTD can do. Sounds like they might suit. Don't need a Jazz clone, per se. I like vintage Jazz Basses- it's really hard to get the tone they have from newer basses, although I've been pleased with some of the Custom Shop offerings. But I'd like more clarity- hearing more of the round wound strings' tone.

The MTDs will serve for jazz and fusion work- I think they'll do fine in that capacity.

My main issue with the Rics was ergodynamic- just too uncomfortable to play. The right angle edges of the binding bit into my forearm.

Anyway, I'll definitely be looking into the MTDs more. The other basses on the short list are Dave Segal's New York Bass Works products. Dave is a serious Jazz Bass afficianado, and designed his basses to be a continuation and improvement on their good and bad points, afaict. I really prefer the way Mike's basses look (sorry Dave!), but ultimately function trumps form.

If you are looking for a very wide, modern tone, the fretted MTD's are at the top of that class.

An MTD would be among my last choices for a fretless bass though... the pickup type and placement are not conducive to generating the fretless tone that I like (more growly, mwaw-ey, and punchy). You might want to check out an MTD for your fretted 'modern' tone needs, and possibly a Skjold for your fretless needs.... kind of in the same tone universe as the MTD's, but Pete can put his pickups just where they need to be (and also pick out the right pickups) for fretless IMO. I've played a couple of Skjold passive fretless basses with one of his pickups in a sort of 'sweet spot' and my gosh... organic and growly like a 60's J, but with all that boutique quality and wonderfulness.
 
You might want to check out an MTD for your fretted 'modern' tone needs, and possible a Skjold for you fretless needs.... kind of in the same tone universe as the MTD's, but Pete can put his pickups just where they need to be (and also pick out the right pickups) for fretless IMO. I've played a couple of Skjold passive fretless basses with one of his pickups in a sort of 'sweet spot' and my gosh... organic and growly like a 60's J, but with all that boutique quality and wonderfulness.

I was about to suggest the very same thing. Pete also has a "Lion's Pride" line which is somewhat vintage-inspired (pickup locations are spot-on), though still a modern bass.
 
I like vintage Jazz Basses- it's really hard to get the tone they have from newer basses...
True, but I'm very happy to report there are at least two highly respected builders providing exactly this now. Nordstrand (VJ5 "Classic") and Alleva Coppolo (LG for the '60s spec). If you do decide to go for that specific sound at some point, you need to keep those two options on your very very short list.
 
If you are looking for a very wide, modern tone, the fretted MTD's are at the top of that class.

An MTD would be among my last choices for a fretless bass though... the pickup type and placement are not conducive to generating the fretless tone that I like (more growly, mwaw-ey, and punchy). You might want to check out an MTD for your fretted 'modern' tone needs, and possibly a Skjold for your fretless needs.... kind of in the same tone universe as the MTD's, but Pete can put his pickups just where they need to be (and also pick out the right pickups) for fretless IMO. I've played a couple of Skjold passive fretless basses with one of his pickups in a sort of 'sweet spot' and my gosh... organic and growly like a 60's J, but with all that boutique quality and wonderfulness.

Mine sounds pretty good...

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=116211561469

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=431040342582

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=389148307582

And that bass can jump in and out of a mix like nothing I've ever played, without touching a knob.

Cheers,
Cameron