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The Official Schroeder Club

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#481
Visirale said:
Could someone explain the voicing of the schroeder cabs? If it's as ballsy as my mesa cabs, I might be considering one. What brand/model of speakers do they sound similar to?

Sorry if this has been done... I've been searching a lot to no avail...

-Ted
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I've got the Powerhouse 212 as well and since I bought my 21012R the PH stays at home. I really like the PH for sitting back in the mix but the 21012R punches me out to a more noticeable role which works better for my current gig. I find the 21012R to be a bit more "modern" sounding and "hi-fi" but it really barks out through the mix due to the mids. The PH 212 to my ears is more sub-dude. Both are great cabs but it's just about which is right for the situation. IME & IMHO of course.

By the way, this is comparing them with my LMII head and both my Fender Jazz and Modulus Q6. The low B on the Q6 is gut turning with the 21012R. I've received references to the legendary Brown Note.
 
#482
I used my 410L last night in a medium size club, longish with a wood floor. I set my Eden WT550 with the gain knob at noon, EQ about flat with very little Enhance and the master at 10:00 with the volume on the bass rolled off about a quarter turn. The controls on my MM Sterling were set with just a touch on the bass knob, mids flat and maybe an eighth of a turn on the highs. The tweeter on the Schroeder was at 9:00.
I use a wireless and I was able to walk out of the bar and stand at the door. When I tried this before with a Goliath III I noticed how little actual bass was present in the mix, although the bass was over-powering back at the stage. Poor drummer :crying: Anyway, last night the bass was still present in the mix at the front of the room, all the way back to the corner where we were set up, and the relative loudness (to the drums, vocals and other instruments) was changed very little. Low fundamentals get lost in a mix, so the Schroeder boosts the low mids, which is all that most people hear anyway, especially in a crowded bar with people yelling, cymbals crashing, guitars screaming and everything else. The mids cut through, yet when the end of the night came, we did a request - "Roadhouse Blues" - in which I play a low open E during the first eight bars of the guitar solo. This note had clarity, was pitch-perfect and shook the floor, walls and everybody in the place. It sounds like the fundamental, even if it isn't. The other reason the Schroeder projects so well, is the horn loading of two of the drivers, which helps to focus the sound further out front. The rhythm guitar player set up after I did, as I watched the Mets lose, so he just set up his DR Z about 5 feet in front of my bass rig. This didn't seem to have any effect at all on how the sound of my bass projected.
I have an outdoor gig today, so I'll try to formulate more explanations of the "Schroeder sound" as experienced in an open, less reverberant space and relay them here. So far though, I can't see me wanting to use any of my other speaker cabinets.
 
#483
So Lomo-

did you purposely go with an 8 ohm 115? Does it run noticably quieter than your other cab? Is there a 'stock' 115L? I too am knocked out by my 1212L, and the only possible addition I can concieve of is a 2nd cab for some of that cushy bottom, esp. outdoors.
 
#484
Played the Street Fair gig yesterday and I set the Eden up as before, except for the master which was at noon (same as gain knob). This was way too loud, so I turned it down to about 11:00. At this (considerably) higher volume the Schroeder 410L seemed a lot bassier. My friend (and amp-tech extraordinaire) Vinny said it got louder as he walked down the street, away from the band! The biggest thing for me though was the improvement in clarity and pitch definition over the old G III. Much, much better.
I have another outdoor gig coming up on Sept. 7th and I was worried about whether or not this cab could cut it by itself or if I should use an old folded horn 1X15 I have so as to have more lows. Well, no more worrying about that. This is definitely all I could possibly need. The projection is incredible! The tone is ass-kickin', take no prisoners, punch you in the gut, but still with enough low bass to get the booties a-shakin'. If my G III wasn't one of the old ones with the real SWR speakers (which can take a lot more pounding than the new Fender G III speakers (IMHO, of course), I'd have sold it already. I still might, but for now it has sentimental value. It does make an attractive lamp table though. :smug:
 
#485
emblymouse said:
So Lomo-

did you purposely go with an 8 ohm 115? Does it run noticably quieter than your other cab? Is there a 'stock' 115L? I too am knocked out by my 1212L, and the only possible addition I can concieve of is a 2nd cab for some of that cushy bottom, esp. outdoors.
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Yes, I chose the 8 Ohm because 1)I didn't want the 15 to be louder than the 1212, which already gives me the tone I want. I just wanted more girth, if ya know what I mean and 2) I figured my Eden 550 will be cooler and happier at 2.7 Ohms than 2. I don't find the 15 quieter than the 1212L. I'm sure Jorg would custom build a 15 sans tweet if you like. It's already available in 4 or 8 Ohm.

Now I'm bummed because our guitarist, who's in another, more active and commercially viable band (we play for charity only, and gig 4-6 times a year) has understandably left the band so he can be a better husband and father....so the outdoor gig in a couple of weeks will be our last,and I'll be sitting on a mountain of unused gear. Oh well, I can always dry the clothes on the indoor line in the basement with all that air movement :-) , but I'll likely be having a sale 3rd week in August. I'm gonna take the opportunity to learn some more solo/chordal stuff so I don't need a band to make music.
 
#488
Bluesbob said:
It's a little more than a month old, black rhino w/casters, Celestion speakers and new tweeter. I bought it from Mark here on Talkbass. You are in for a real adventure, unless you've already had one of these cabs. :bassist:
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I'm super excited, for sure. I haven't played through 10" speakers since I sold off my GK 410RBH a few years back. Since then it's been an 18" and recently a 15", and I want more power!

Speaking of 15", does anyone have any info on Jorg's new 15", like dimensions, impedance, that sort of thing? Or just more pictures, that'd be fun too :smug:
 
#490
rockstarbassist said:
Gassin' AGAIN for a 21012R or L...

Had 2 1210R's, MODNY has my old 410R, and I wasn't bowled over by the 210212L that Jorg sent me, but, I was looking for ridiculous lows at that time, which has since come and gone anyhow.

Have an Eden 212XLT, but the 21012 just wants me to buy it- I know it!!
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Wait, the 2 12" speakers didn't do it for you? How ridiculous were you looking for :smug:

Played a show Monday night (never doing Monday night shows again) and a band called Skybombers from Australia. I got to use the bassist's Ampeg 410HE (the one without the huge dopey ports on the bottom) and it sounded freaking awesome. Can't WAIT to get my 410L. What should I be expecting sound wise out of my 410L compared to the Ampeg?
 
#491
What should I be expecting sound wise out of my 410L compared to the Ampeg?
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Don't expect the pants-flapping, stage shaking lows that the ports on the Ampeg allow it to produce. Those frequencies don't carry far and that's not what the Schroeder is designed for. You can expect less muddiness though. Plus, people listening 50 feet away will here you as well (or better) than people 10 feet in front of you. I played another outdoor thing yesterday, using a Behringer 4500 head and an old Acoustic 106 2X15 loaded with who knows what speakers (not my rig). The bass sounded full and round next to the amp and the drums and bass seemed to mix nicely. I was using my passive Jazz with a 25 foot cord, which enabled me to walk out a ways from the (9 and 1/2 inch high) stage. The bootiful bass tones disappeared by the time I got off the stage.
My friend Vinny did the sound for the show, and when I talked to him he mentioned that as he was walking away down the street last week at the street fair (see previous post), my bass not only got louder (!), but bassier as well. He probably meant it got smoother. He still thinks my 410L is a Bergantino - he has no inkling of all the new and exciting products and technologies available on the bass scene, most of his work is with old Fender and Marshall tube amps, as well as home audio. He's got good ears though, so I trust what he says about apparent volume.
 
#492
scuz said:
Wait, the 2 12" speakers didn't do it for you? How ridiculous were you looking for :smug:

Played a show Monday night (never doing Monday night shows again) and a band called Skybombers from Australia. I got to use the bassist's Ampeg 410HE (the one without the huge dopey ports on the bottom) and it sounded freaking awesome. Can't WAIT to get my 410L. What should I be expecting sound wise out of my 410L compared to the Ampeg?
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I have a Schroeder 410 R and when I played against an Ampeg 410HE,it blew it out of the water...AS the amp volume got louder -the Schroeder kept getting louder without distortion, and cut thru the mix, but the Ampeg got mushier at higer volumes and got lost in the mix(1200 watt power amp running both)...IMHO...you'll be very pleased...Peace...DAcat :cool:
 
#495
Probably just going to put another 410L under my first one, but the 1212 would be pretty sweet.

We need to start a fund raiser or something to get Jorg a new web host. His website goes down for me every once in a while, and I know there are better hosts out there than what he's using. Or is this just something that happens to me? :<
 
#496
scuz said:
Probably just going to put another 410L under my first one, but the 1212 would be pretty sweet.

We need to start a fund raiser or something to get Jorg a new web host. His website goes down for me every once in a while, and I know there are better hosts out there than what he's using. Or is this just something that happens to me? :<
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It happens to me about once or twice daily. :)
 
#500
Jorg really listens to his customers and modifies his product line accordingly, using improved drivers and designs. Kudos! His new 1215L looks very promising. The 1212L has a lot of definition and oomph for a compact 212 cab but seems to be a little shy in the booty while the 1515L is advertised as having a vintage sound in a compact package. (Who would have thought you could make a 215 that small sound good?) The 1215L seems like it would split the difference nicely, fatter than the 1212L but more articulate than the 1515L. The sound and efficiency from these small light enclosures is incredible. The right choice is personal preference depending on the sound you're after, but I was wondering if anyone out there in Schroederland could comment on whether this assessment is accurate for the 1215L? If my current system doesn't meet my needs I may be looking this direction.
 
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