Even if you don't use it for an SVT sound, its a great sounding pedal. I sold my GED2112 because it could basically do the same, for me, than the entire rack set would do. The breakup sensitivity is much better, especially with hot basses
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The SVT sound... as if there were only 1...
The cab is a huge part of it it if we are talking the 70's setup with Towel bar. That beast had a thing going on around 80 hz that just dominated other aspects of the cab. Happily it was easy to leverage into a good workable sound and up close it simple blew the 360/370 into the past. For me anyway...
I ran my SVT rig clean as a whistle and the crunch I got was from Rotosounds set low on a P Bass and a boost in the highs. Very different sound from what I want today...
I've heard that cab driven with lower wattage amps from Sunn (Sonaro IIRC) and Fender (Bassman, Showman, Bassman 100) amd really, that cab kinda turned 'em all into mini SVT's. Not 100% but a lot closer than you'd think.
I moved on in the late 70's as I needed to be more compact and needed less stage volume anyway. No experience with later day SVT cabs ... other than those pointed at my head when doing FOH. Why do SVT guys always have to play so damn loud ? (at least partially in gest).
The cab is a huge part of it it if we are talking the 70's setup with Towel bar. That beast had a thing going on around 80 hz that just dominated other aspects of the cab. Happily it was easy to leverage into a good workable sound and up close it simple blew the 360/370 into the past. For me anyway...
I ran my SVT rig clean as a whistle and the crunch I got was from Rotosounds set low on a P Bass and a boost in the highs. Very different sound from what I want today...
I've heard that cab driven with lower wattage amps from Sunn (Sonaro IIRC) and Fender (Bassman, Showman, Bassman 100) amd really, that cab kinda turned 'em all into mini SVT's. Not 100% but a lot closer than you'd think.
I moved on in the late 70's as I needed to be more compact and needed less stage volume anyway. No experience with later day SVT cabs ... other than those pointed at my head when doing FOH. Why do SVT guys always have to play so damn loud ? (at least partially in gest).
Love the tones of your pedal.
I would not miss the DI at all. In fact, I'd prefer not to have it.
PM'd.
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Just as a general note: I can make this pedal in a 1590BBS enclosure with no DI. Same footprint as a standard 1590BB but the height of a 125B
EXACTLY my experience except I had the SVT with 2 cabs and Acoustic 370 with 2 cabs......one of each on each side of the drum risers. Long hair and spandex daze, manager used to complain he could hear my bass 1 mile away where he had to park.
Pedals and now?
Closest we've come here is the rack rig
SansAmp RBI -> dbx166xL set for speaker protection only -> QSC 2402 -> SVT 8x10 or other cab.
October 10th we opened for a Louisiana act we've opened for many time before at an outdoor event. Bassist was kind enough to let me run through his rig although I did bring my rack(his rack had issues the night before with them). Signal path:
Line 6 Helix(SVT sim) -> my MXR 10 band EQ(so I wouldn't have to modify his EQ settings) -> SansAmp pedal -> Crown amp -> SVT 8x10
Brought me back to the 70's/80's with the teardrop sound field and stage-filling sound. Now an 8x10 SVT cab is on my want list at 65 years old.
Hello, long time lurker here, thanks everyone for your opinions and expertise on so many bass topics. It seems this is a good place to ask a few questions regarding the tech 21 vtdi.
I am currently playing a SS Squier Jaguar into a Rumble 500 with 2x10 extension cab. Also have a Suhr koji compressor and vintage MXR distortion+ at my disposal from guitar. I realize this isn't the same caliber gear many here are using to aquire sonic bliss, but it is what it is.
I have recently added a tech 21 vtdi to the arsenal and I'm diggin the extra flavor it adds. I like that the bite button adds clarity and tightens the low end to the dubby SS and Rumble. However, I'm considering adding an Empress para EQ, and/or a Broughton LP/HP filter to tame some of the bite harshness. Have any of you used either of these to fix the harshness/string noise of the bite button without adversely affecting the rest of the vtdi sound? The Rumble has a built in hpf and was wondering how it will interact with the vtdi and the possible addition of the Broughton LP/HP. Would this be overkill or just additional (I'm thinking) tone adjustment availability?
Another question is if a seperate LP and HP filter at different points in the signal chain (especially in regards to vtdi placement) would signifcantly change the sound for the better vs the LP/HP combo pedal?
Also, would the Empress para EQ be able to pinpoint and tame the bite button harshness without ruining high end clarity or any productive harmonic overtones of the vtdi? I'm thinking the Empress might generally be more useful to use on bass with and without the vtdi, and also for my electric and acoustic guitars, and would preferrably be the first addition.
Thanks in advance for any opinons and recommedations regarding these two pedals and any others that work well (or better) for this purpose! From my endless search on this subject, I know the difference between a para eq and a HPF and LPF, just looking for more personal experience using them in this context.
Rock On,
Shortstring
I am currently playing a SS Squier Jaguar into a Rumble 500 with 2x10 extension cab. Also have a Suhr koji compressor and vintage MXR distortion+ at my disposal from guitar. I realize this isn't the same caliber gear many here are using to aquire sonic bliss, but it is what it is.
I have recently added a tech 21 vtdi to the arsenal and I'm diggin the extra flavor it adds. I like that the bite button adds clarity and tightens the low end to the dubby SS and Rumble. However, I'm considering adding an Empress para EQ, and/or a Broughton LP/HP filter to tame some of the bite harshness. Have any of you used either of these to fix the harshness/string noise of the bite button without adversely affecting the rest of the vtdi sound? The Rumble has a built in hpf and was wondering how it will interact with the vtdi and the possible addition of the Broughton LP/HP. Would this be overkill or just additional (I'm thinking) tone adjustment availability?
Another question is if a seperate LP and HP filter at different points in the signal chain (especially in regards to vtdi placement) would signifcantly change the sound for the better vs the LP/HP combo pedal?
Also, would the Empress para EQ be able to pinpoint and tame the bite button harshness without ruining high end clarity or any productive harmonic overtones of the vtdi? I'm thinking the Empress might generally be more useful to use on bass with and without the vtdi, and also for my electric and acoustic guitars, and would preferrably be the first addition.
Thanks in advance for any opinons and recommedations regarding these two pedals and any others that work well (or better) for this purpose! From my endless search on this subject, I know the difference between a para eq and a HPF and LPF, just looking for more personal experience using them in this context.
Rock On,
Shortstring
@SHORTSTRING I first recommend that you take a look at the pics here to see what Bite and speaker sim buttons do to your frequencies: Tech 21 VT Bass - bite switch a necessity?
When going direct with the VTDI I really enjoy using a more capable LPF/HPF at the end of my signal (Omnicabsim Deluxe in my case). It makes a huge difference. But I never felt that was necessary with an actual amp+cab, HPF is often built in and physics take care of the LPF even with the most djenty distortions I use.
Empress EQ, Q/Strip, Source Audio EQ2 are all amazingly versatile tools for sound shaping... that COULD potentially help with your issue too, but I'm not quite sure what that is without seeing your graphs or hearing samples.
EDIT: So could the EQ on the VTDI. The learning curve is high with that pedal, as everything else interacts with Character in sometimes very unintuitive ways. I would recommend spending a few hours of focus time experimenting with it just with the goal of fixing this issue. There are way too many sounds in that box for its own good
When going direct with the VTDI I really enjoy using a more capable LPF/HPF at the end of my signal (Omnicabsim Deluxe in my case). It makes a huge difference. But I never felt that was necessary with an actual amp+cab, HPF is often built in and physics take care of the LPF even with the most djenty distortions I use.
Empress EQ, Q/Strip, Source Audio EQ2 are all amazingly versatile tools for sound shaping... that COULD potentially help with your issue too, but I'm not quite sure what that is without seeing your graphs or hearing samples.
EDIT: So could the EQ on the VTDI. The learning curve is high with that pedal, as everything else interacts with Character in sometimes very unintuitive ways. I would recommend spending a few hours of focus time experimenting with it just with the goal of fixing this issue. There are way too many sounds in that box for its own good
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Ok, thanks for your input Wretched Banana. I somehow missed the article you highlighted, that's the kind of info I'm looking for. I'll continue to experiment more with various settings. I'm just used to the Rumble sound without the vtdi, and working with the additional tones now available. I think I'm just GASing for an EQ pedal In general, and also a hpf/lpf, and trying to justify the purchase.
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Agree 100% although there are a few of us that love the SVT as a clear, clean, thick sounding amp especially through a 2x15 or 2x12 or my current favorite a Bergantino HT322.
Thanks for posting Tim. Do you anticipate any tonal or performance differences with SMD version?
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The only thing that the SMD version might have is a bit more high end than the TH version but I don't know if it would be perceivable at all.
Sensei Tim
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The sound sample in the video sure does sound good... But my question to you is: Does the Super 300 incorporate some kind of speaker sim and/or power amp sim?
