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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

So a new SVT pedal is getting closer to the day of light, you woun't be able to help yourself now.
Yeah it'll happen eventually. Not sure when I'll have time to do it though.

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So the firebox isn't a tube amp. It's a tube power amp emulator (that uses a tube), so doesn't require a lump of a transformer.
I thought the Firebox was a tube power amp with an inbuilt load, I thought Nathan was planning on using the Hammond 125A transformer for the build.
With a resistive dummy load on the output you should be able to drive headphones or even a speaker if you switch out the dummy load.
My impression was that a pre amp and a power amp was all going into one 1590XX or 1590DD box for the Firebox build.
I am going to try to make a small power amp by itself within a 1590BB box, that way I can use any of the C2CE pre amps to drive it into a speaker or headphones. My version if it works will only be a few watts at most, basically the power section of Rob Robinettes Bassman 5F6A-M Micro PP amp.

EDIT: There is a company in the US that makes tube amp transformers that has a better frequency range then the Hammond 125A but a similar size, I can't remember their name but if it comes back to me I will post it. (I'm sure someone here will know)

EDIT Again : I just found the article on the Firebox I remembered reading :
 
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That's super pretty. What are the power requirements going to look like?
Solid question, I'll measure it when I get home. Suffice to say it will be a lot, I expect it to be around the 1000mA range, allowing some margin for warmup.
I thought Nathan was planning on using the Hammond 125A transformer for the build.
I used 125A for the initial prototype over 2 years ago, and the frequency response is garbage. I already found one I like better and have used it in my bass headphone amp, but I haven't gotten around to actually revising the Firebox design.
 
I thought the Firebox was a tube power amp with an inbuilt load, I thought Nathan was planning on using the Hammond 125A transformer for the build.
With a resistive dummy load on the output you should be able to drive headphones or even a speaker if you switch out the dummy load.
My impression was that a pre amp and a power amp was all going into one 1590XX or 1590DD box for the Firebox build.
I am going to try to make a small power amp by itself within a 1590BB box, that way I can use any of the C2CE pre amps to drive it into a speaker or headphones. My version if it works will only be a few watts at most, basically the power section of Rob Robinettes Bassman 5F6A-M Micro PP amp.

EDIT: There is a company in the US that makes tube amp transformers that has a better frequency range then the Hammond 125A but a similar size, I can't remember their name but if it comes back to me I will post it. (I'm sure someone here will know)

EDIT Again : I just found the article on the Firebox I remembered reading :
I stand corrected, or maybe both exist!

I'll take a look at the forum coz it's be interesting, but Nathan's first words are spot one, I don't geek out so much around the build process 🤓 mainly coz I know if I ever attempted to build a pedal it would be absolute garbage! I have very little talent for that kinda thing.

I'd be majorly interest to see how you progress with your project though, that fat girthiness that comes that only comes from pushing a power tubes into a transformer is the bedrock of good bass tone.

To have that in something you can easily carry about would be truly amazing.

I'm now gonna back search this thread again as it's a long time since i read Nathan's post about the Firebox.
 
@Tassieviking I've mixed up two posts in my head in the last two years! And I'd've put my life on the fact that the prototype had a More as the preamp!!

I must be getting old :sour:

I was looking at a single 6V6 (5-6W) tube power amp in a pedal-sized box, and even that wouldn't fit in a Noble-sized box. If a 50W tube power amp was possible in a small box guitarists would kill for it, but alas still a pipe dream. Anything over about 1W is just going to be too big and too hot :(

Did I not talk about that? Thought I did. Anyway...

Firebox is my attempt at a tube-driven power amp emulator similar to how SWR did with the Interstellar Overdrive. I have a simple tube preamp (Space Heater) going into a low-power (1/2W) power amp with an output transformer and everything. Then instead of a speaker we have a dummy load with a tap into a line out. This gives you the response of a tube power amp and the effect of the power transformer but lets you run it into an IR loader or similar device to give you essentially an entire combo amp sound the size of a pedal.

So I built up a prototype and it works, but I dropped the level too hard so it's not loud enough to be useful. I should be able to swap one component and have it be usable enough to try out.
 
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