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Thunderbird Club

Put the money down and spin the wheel. Used basses are always a gamble.

I picked up the used GC “mystery Epi” at my local today. It arrived to Cali from Mass yesterday. Well packed. Can’t argue with $23 shipping. But the tax…ugh.

It had to have been owned by a clueless guitar player. Strings cut way too short. I think they’re DA tapes. Very expensive strings. Why in the world would someone do this ?
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I doubt it is the original nut. Epi nuts are usually black. This one appears to be a Tusq.

I’m pretty sure it is TV silver. Sort of a translucent paint job with a lot of grain showing.
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Interesting setup. And no, it is not intonated. I’m hesitant to remove the silks to get them off the saddles for fear of ruining a $50+ set of strings.View attachment 5070026

I tuned it up and played it. Aside from terrible intonation, it plays great. I need to straighten the neck. See if I can actually use the strings for awhile…more to come.
I would suggest putting extra ball ends on the strings, but there is no slack at the machine heads!
 
The more I read on these YBA200’s, the more it sounds like it may not be the amp for me. Looks like it’s big on distortion/drive, but not so great on good clean low end. Sounds like it’s might be a lot like a V4B, and I’ve found after owning a couple, the V4B isn’t for me. Plus, if the one advertised isn’t a “-2” model, it means I will need to have work done on it eventually, since I would want it to be as best as it can be.

I did read that changing one or both of the 12ax7’s out for 12at7’s could clean it up some.

Anyone have an opinion, and better yet, experience with these amps, I’d love to hear it.

I’m certainly still curious about it. I thought I had a serious buyer for a P-bass I have listed, which would make the choice easier (I just buy it and if I found I eventually didn’t like it, I’d re-list it and be in no rush to re-sell), but I’m getting the sense he’s going to be another CL flake, so the smarter side of me will need to not spend the money on it, even at such a good price.
Yes, the first version had an "auto-bias" feature to automatically accommodate different power tube types.
It did not work! Version two corrected that silliness with an adjustable bias.
As far as the amp goes, it's a unique animal that may not suit everyone. The EQ is passive and takes some getting use to. The amp is overtly bright to my ears, which lead me to purchase a Broughton HPF/LPF to tame it. And yes, it is known for overdriving, even with the preamp level fully counter clockwise, you still get some grit. I haven't tried the preamp tube swap, so I can't comment on that.
 
I'm going to try to get them in place this week, but I think that I'll be tinkering with pickup height for awhile as well. It took a few tries with the my VP when I put the Gibson pickups in it.




Originally Mike's pickups were made by TV Jones exclusively, (this was after he'd approached Jason Lollar, who declined as at that point he didn't think there would be a market for them!) as time went on demand increased and production lagged, at one point Mike 5-6 T4s in the shop just waiting for pickups. It was decided to have Seymour Duncan take on some of the production to alleviate delivery delays, at this point the pickups were actually offered on Mike's website as an upgrade for your Gibson Bird. I have TV Jones made pickups in my T4 II and my '89 Gibson, I have one at Lull's to pick up later this week as well, it's for my BaCH Non Reverse.
I don't have any basses with Lollars in them to make a comparison but I have to imagine that they would sound quite similar as he's known to make a good pickup and there are a couple guys here that use them and swear by them. Ultimately, if they're known as a good manufacturer I'd say any good repro is likely worth it, be that Lull, Thunderbucker, Seymour Duncan, Lollar etc. I like Gibson's new pickup being used in the current Non Reverse and love the pickup in my Greco II as well, they're slightly different from the others but still so close that we're basically splitting hairs here. The pickups that don't work quite as well for me are the Epi 760's and the EY Guitars, through my rig ( I don't use any pedals etc.) there seems to be something missing, they're not as "full" or "filled out" sounding, with some fundamental and lo - mids not being present. This is just my experience, not a criticism as most folks here have a pretty high opinion of both of these pickups.

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Play what you, love what you play!

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I think a lot of people get caught up in FOMO. A lot of tonal differences can almost be matched with different strings or EQ.
 
I would suggest putting extra ball ends on the strings, but there is no slack at the machine heads!
Exactly. I’m a bit flummoxed as to why someone would do that to an expensive set of strings. If I end up deciding that is a good sound to have in the arsenal, I can get a new set and one of those extender bar thingies or extra ball ends as you suggest.

Like I said, must have been a guitar player. Wait until I post pics of the pickup height. I’ve never seen so much space between the pickups and strings.
 
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I'm going to try to get them in place this week, but I think that I'll be tinkering with pickup height for awhile as well. It took a few tries with the my VP when I put the Gibson pickups in it.

Originally Mike's pickups were made by TV Jones exclusively, (this was after he'd approached Jason Lollar, who declined as at that point he didn't think there would be a market for them!) as time went on demand increased and production lagged, at one point Mike 5-6 T4s in the shop just waiting for pickups. It was decided to have Seymour Duncan take on some of the production to alleviate delivery delays, at this point the pickups were actually offered on Mike's website as an upgrade for your Gibson Bird. I have TV Jones made pickups in my T4 II and my '89 Gibson, I have one at Lull's to pick up later this week as well, it's for my BaCH Non Reverse.
I don't have any basses with Lollars in them to make a comparison but I have to imagine that they would sound quite similar as he's known to make a good pickup and there are a couple guys here that use them and swear by them. Ultimately, if they're known as a good manufacturer I'd say any good repro is likely worth it, be that Lull, Thunderbucker, Seymour Duncan, Lollar etc. I like Gibson's new pickup being used in the current Non Reverse and love the pickup in my Greco II as well, they're slightly different from the others but still so close that we're basically splitting hairs here. The pickups that don't work quite as well for me are the Epi 760's and the EY Guitars, through my rig ( I don't use any pedals etc.) there seems to be something missing, they're not as "full" or "filled out" sounding, with some fundamental and lo - mids not being present. This is just my experience, not a criticism as most folks here have a pretty high opinion of both of these pickups.

TL;DR
Play what you, love what you play!

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Great history.

Very accurate description on the 760s. They just aren't big sounding. They could likely go the modern Gibson pickup positions and that might add some heft. I don't change my head when I use either one, but I do think my BBE Sonic (Maximizer) Stomp helps those and everything sound bigger and better without losing punch.
 
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Exactly. I’m a bit flummoxed as to why someone would do that to an expensive set of strings. If I end up deciding that is a good sound to have in the arsenal, I can get a new set and one of those extender bar thingies or extra ball ends as you suggest.

Like I said, must have been a guitar player. Wait until I post pics of the pickup height. I’ve never seen so much space between the pickups and strings.
As goofy picky as I am, I have personally never noticed silks on the saddles sounding any different. I'm sure there has to be one, but I'doubt it's noticeable. When it happens I stopped cutting the silk off for that reason.
 
As goofy picky as I am, I have personally never noticed silks on the saddles sounding any different. I'm sure there has to be one, but I'doubt it's noticeable. When it happens I stopped cutting the silk off for that reason.
I’ve never noticed an obvious difference either. I could speculate that the soft silks could possibly deaden the attack or sustain a very tiny bit. But I can’t recall ever playing a bass and actually hearing a difference in a mix. Is it ideal, no, does it matter, probably not.
 
As goofy picky as I am, I have personally never noticed silks on the saddles sounding any different. I'm sure there has to be one, but I'doubt it's noticeable. When it happens I stopped cutting the silk off for that reason.
I don’t really know at this point. I need to have some time to dial in the intonation. After first installing the strings correctly.
 
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I prefer the response of the 7027 on V4s...they are just plain underpowered imo....100W has stopped being adequate for live bass for decades now unless you are playing a venue small enough to where the V4 won't fit in the first place.....
maybe in a recording studio in front of a U47?...

I use a 100w head with fair regularity, but a Hiwatt DR-103 is a pretty "loud" amp for 100w. Not as loud as the 120w Sunn, but with efficient cabs I've never had issues with keeping up or burying other people with it.

Using a V4 at a festival was one of the few times I've wanted to kick an amp over and off the stage while playing it. It was a honky, blown out mess. Even with an 8x10, by the time it was loud enough to be heard just as a monitor on stage it was way too far into distortion for me, any of my amps would eat its lunch. I haven't used enough to say they're all like this, maybe it had some sort of issue, but I truly hated using it. It was a 70s version, early one before the distortion circuit, but for the life of me I couldn't dial it to sound like anything other than a strangled goose or a subby fart in a cavern. Dialing in enough treble for what I normally played made it harsh and throaty (not in a good way), and trying to dial that out all I could get was definition-less woof and blooming subs. Granted, I know the circuit is a bit different than your standard passive tone stack and I may not be used to it, but my Acoustics with active tone stacks never sound like that. I'd be willing to give one a go again, but I'm skeptical I'd like it any more, even if it didn't distort so early.