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Thunderbird Club

As there seems to be a community that really loves them, are there particular features/finishes/years that are particularly desirable? I’ll be honest and say that the body styles and headstock puzzle the heck out of me. I’m not enamored with their appearance, but I’m wondering if they’r an acquired taste kind of thing…it’s not a “love at first sight” kind of thing for me. The look mentally and physically awkward- but still I hear a small voice inside my head that says “hmmm…could be interesting”.

Like most basses, yes there is a community that really does love them, it's proportional in size to the relative popularity of course, so we're never going to be as large a group as say, folks that like Jazz basses, but that's cool, we're just devoted. As has been touched on, there are some interesting "Phases" of Thunderbird production over the years, they each have certain points of desirability.
The original "Reverse" from the '60s is held in pretty high regard, the necks are incredibly fast and thin (easily broken too), the multi laminate construction would be copied by many high end builders as time went on, Alembic anyone? The pickups are complex and full sounding, with some variation in each due to Gibson winding the pickups using a timer, which resulted in many being overwound. Low production numbers, just over 1000 for '63-'65 II and IV make them a bit harder to find than vintage 7enders of the same era. Regarding the "lawsuit" with 7ender, I can say that I've never seen any verifiable proof or disproof of it actually happening, I do find it noteworthy that there is no mention of it at all in Rob van den Broek's excellent reference The Gibson Bass Book | An Illustrated Tribute by Rob van den Broek
Gibson did redesign the Thunderbird for the years '65-'69, the body is essentially flipped and is a solid piece with set neck construction, these are commonly called a "Non - Reverse" or NR, again they are very desirable from the collectable and tonal standpoint, even fewer were made, around 720 or so. Both of these early versions used a two point bridge that often wouldn't intonate properly due to insufficient travel for the saddles. Production ended in 1969.
Gibson re-issued the "Reverse" from '76-'79, at first glance these basses look like the original '60s version, but are a little different in a couple of points. The upper 'Bout of the body has a slightly different shape, a new bridge, the much maligned 3 point is used and the pickups are of a completely different design. The pickups are unique to these years of production and are easily discerned from any other Thunderbird pickups by the use of 3 mounting screws instead of the usual two. Tonally, they are like no other as well, the sidewinder design pickups are wired in "series" rather than "parallel, so these Birds really do have a different sound than other - they can be very bassey, even making a lot of sub harmonic, I think they sound best played loud through a big amp, using a pick, the whole combination just seems to ignite rather gloriously. Over the years of production less than 1900 were made, so again they're kind of rare, they seem to going up in value over the last few years.
After being withdrawn from production only a few Thunderbirds were made in '86 and '87, these were done by the Custom Shop in very low numbers, mostly for Japanese dealers, they feature a '76 body, smaller tuning machines and there were a few II models produced as well.
1988 saw the reintroduction of the Thunderbird, largely due to new owner Henry J., slightly redesigned, they feature a much smaller headstock and tuners which along with the 3 point are now black, instead of chrome. The pickups are a complete crapshoot, with some early ones being '76 guts potted into the black plastic covers, some had a short lived bizarre sidewinder design. Gibson eventually settled into a twin coil ceramic magnet design but there are at least four variations of this that I've been able to document. The early years of the reissue are held in pretty high regard, the construction is the traditional 9 ply and is reasonably well done and the neck has virtually no pitch, like all previous versions.
In 2006 Gibson issued a "Studio" version of the Thunderbird, these feature a single piece slab body and a set neck with a trimmed, even smaller headstock. These basses use a more contemporary bridge design and the black plastic covered "TB-Plus" pickups, essentially a "modern" Thunderbird, they are often overlooked, too bad, as the combination of construction, pickups and bridge are excellent all around.
In 2013 Gibson reissued the Non Reverse Thunderbird as a limited run of 400, while these look like the late '60s version, they do differ in neck dimensions, (including a volute) the 3 point bridge and the TB-Plus pickups.
2015 saw Gibson release the "Reverse" with DeCola pickups, a new bridge by Babciz and increased switching options, again a modern variation of the Thunderbird, these are really nice basses.
In 2021 Gibson again reissued the Non Reverse, redesigned from the previous effort, these feature a new reissue pickup, Hipshot tuners, and a new, slightly bigger neck, these are good, sturdy basses with great tone as well.
Were I looking for a Gibson Reverse Thunderbird I would shop for a late '80s or early '90s, these are affordable, great players and have an incredible thin, fast neck with a very shallow pitch. For a Gibson Non Reverse, the 2021 or newer are hard to beat, those new pickups sound really good.

Slow morning at work today............Got a bit long winded.

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And a good strap. Interestingly enough my bottom pin is offset about 2in in that direction from the factory. I don't recall seeing that before on others I have seen.
I use a wide strap and sling them pretty low. The pins are in the stock position, but I haven't had any issues with balance. It's one of those odd Thunderbird things that they seem to do. They behave one way for one person, and another way for somebody else. I have no explanation at all for how that works.
 
Like most basses, yes there is a community that really does love them, it's proportional in size to the relative popularity of course, so we're never going to be as large a group as say, folks that like Jazz basses, but that's cool, we're just devoted. As has been touched on, there are some interesting "Phases" of Thunderbird production over the years, they each have certain points of desirability.
The original "Reverse" from the '60s is held in pretty high regard, the necks are incredibly fast and thin (easily broken too), the multi laminate construction would be copied by many high end builders as time went on, Alembic anyone? The pickups are complex and full sounding, with some variation in each due to Gibson winding the pickups using a timer, which resulted in many being overwound. Low production numbers, just over 1000 for '63-'65 II and IV make them a bit harder to find than vintage 7enders of the same era. Regarding the "lawsuit" with 7ender, I can say that I've never seen any verifiable proof or disproof of it actually happening, I do find it noteworthy that there is no mention of it at all in Rob van den Broek's excellent reference The Gibson Bass Book | An Illustrated Tribute by Rob van den Broek
Gibson did redesign the Thunderbird for the years '65-'69, the body is essentially flipped and is a solid piece with set neck construction, these are commonly called a "Non - Reverse" or NR, again they are very desirable from the collectable and tonal standpoint, even fewer were made, around 720 or so. Both of these early versions used a two point bridge that often wouldn't intonate properly due to insufficient travel for the saddles. Production ended in 1969.
Gibson re-issued the "Reverse" from '76-'79, at first glance these basses look like the original '60s version, but are a little different in a couple of points. The upper 'Bout of the body has a slightly different shape, a new bridge, the much maligned 3 point is used and the pickups are of a completely different design. The pickups are unique to these years of production and are easily discerned from any other Thunderbird pickups by the use of 3 mounting screws instead of the usual two. Tonally, they are like no other as well, the sidewinder design pickups are wired in "series" rather than "parallel, so these Birds really do have a different sound than other - they can be very bassey, even making a lot of sub harmonic, I think they sound best played loud through a big amp, using a pick, the whole combination just seems to ignite rather gloriously. Over the years of production less than 1900 were made, so again they're kind of rare, they seem to going up in value over the last few years.
After being withdrawn from production only a few Thunderbirds were made in '86 and '87, these were done by the Custom Shop in very low numbers, mostly for Japanese dealers, they feature a '76 body, smaller tuning machines and there were a few II models produced as well.
1988 saw the reintroduction of the Thunderbird, largely due to new owner Henry J., slightly redesigned, they feature a much smaller headstock and tuners which along with the 3 point are now black, instead of chrome. The pickups are a complete crapshoot, with some early ones being '76 guts potted into the black plastic covers, some had a short lived bizarre sidewinder design. Gibson eventually settled into a twin coil ceramic magnet design but there are at least four variations of this that I've been able to document. The early years of the reissue are held in pretty high regard, the construction is the traditional 9 ply and is reasonably well done and the neck has virtually no pitch, like all previous versions.
In 2006 Gibson issued a "Studio" version of the Thunderbird, these feature a single piece slab body and a set neck with a trimmed, even smaller headstock. These basses use a more contemporary bridge design and the black plastic covered "TB-Plus" pickups, essentially a "modern" Thunderbird, they are often overlooked, too bad, as the combination of construction, pickups and bridge are excellent all around.
In 2013 Gibson reissued the Non Reverse Thunderbird as a limited run of 400, while these look like the late '60s version, they do differ in neck dimensions, (including a volute) the 3 point bridge and the TB-Plus pickups.
2015 saw Gibson release the "Reverse" with DeCola pickups, a new bridge by Babciz and increased switching options, again a modern variation of the Thunderbird, these are really nice basses.
In 2021 Gibson again reissued the Non Reverse, redesigned from the previous effort, these feature a new reissue pickup, Hipshot tuners, and a new, slightly bigger neck, these are good, sturdy basses with great tone as well.
Were I looking for a Gibson Reverse Thunderbird I would shop for a late '80s or early '90s, these are affordable, great players and have an incredible thin, fast neck with a very shallow pitch. For a Gibson Non Reverse, the 2021 or newer are hard to beat, those new pickups sound really good.

Slow morning at work today............Got a bit long winded.

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Long winded? Not around here.

I would add that Gibson got something just a little more right in 2001 and maybe other years around that time. For whatever reason, the pickups in my 2001 are a match for just about anything. Different, yes, but they have a bite and clarity that's just a bit more pronounced than other reissue era pickups.

My 1991 is the heaviest Thunderbird I own, perhaps because it has been refinished, and probably partly because I added covers. The 2001 and 2015 are both remarkably lightweight bass guitars. You wouldn't expect that looking at them, but they are a much lighter than my Precision, for example. They are also noticeably lighter than the EB-2.

The 1991, 2001, and 2015 all feel very similar to play. CNC machining probably has a role in that, although I'm not sure how much CNC was involved in 1991.
 
Reverie, my doomish jam band is back, playing at Nick-A-Nee's in Providence this Friday. We're opening for Hope Anchor, some friends on the scene here who've been kind enough to give us a little boost. This is twice now. It's good to have friends.
We've rehearsed twice since a long hiatus, maybe six months now, and we're going in...
I finally got a bass-forward mix from rehearsal, and I'm really liking the sound of my Classic Pro. Forget my moping about pickups a couple weeks ago, I'm as satisfied as I've been with any bass I've ever owned/played. And it feels great too. Keeping it slung low, playing it slow (I'm getting a little more economical. A little...). Got a few clams to clean up, but now I can hear them! And yeah I'm getting along great with the sound I'm getting... Through a SansAmp jig >Broughton hpf, an Eden WT405 and a couple old 15s stacked under it.
Last night I discovered some chippage along the bottom edge of my headstock, but I do "bump" into a cymbal from time to time. 😏
The old girl's got her some scars since she's come into my life. But she knows I love her.

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The CP is a fine instrument and easily punches well above its price point. Mine is certainly in the top tier of all my Tbirds sound wise.

What about CP vs standard VP ?
Two different sides of the same rare coin. The CP is as warm, smooth and dreamy as a Mediterranean beach at noon. The VP is as crisp and clear as a Montana midnight sky. Both are phenomenal players and should be in every Tbird enthusiast line up.

Well stupid or not, I just bought a damaged '21 Embassy for the 760s. The good news I should end up with pickups I know what they sound like and am happy with. (Thanks George for the heads up on this.) Hopefully the first version which seems to be a little hotter and grittier and sounds more like my '64 than any other Thunderbird pickup I have. The 60s NRs tended to be a little hotter than the early reverses from what I hear, so the 760s will be a great match. I may be able to change pickups this weekend.

Going by the below and what I saw on another it may have been one made in Indoniesia along side the Thunderbirds. Another '21 I saw was from Indonesia. But I can't pin down when that change happened.
The timeline for these Epiphone Thunderbird models can be summarized as follows:
Thunderbird Vintage Pro (introduced in 2017)
Thunderbird 60s bass (rebranded in 2021)
Thunderbird '64 (released in 2024)
The transition from the Vintage Pro to the 60s bass was done without much fanfare, and the specs remained largely the same between these two models.

I'll add a claw, put the Koreabuckers in it and likely sell it. Unless it sounds really good with those. Then I could be tempted to keep it. But I should sell it. If anyone knows where I can just get the claw tailpiece please let me know. The original one must have pulled out. Easy enough to fill and fix that. Just need "The Claw."
IIRC Philadelphia Luthier sells the claw at a reasonable price.

I don’t really know much of anything about these Thunderbirds. Is there a primer on what they’re all about? I do see different body styles and it’s all just a little confusing for me. Do they all have the same scale length? All have similar electronics/tone?
AllieCat gave a beautiful rundown on the Tbird background. All I’d add is that there are many different builders of Tbird shaped basses. Gibson and Epiphone are the norm and some of the best, but you’ll see many options if you know where and how to look for them (this club can help with that). Case in point, you asked about scale length, here’s some of mine, each one in a different scale length, ranging from 21” to 37”…
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So, others may be more qualified to do a proper write up on the T-bird than me but I'll give you my take on it anyways.

In the early 1960's, Fender was a leader in the market and Gibson wanted something premium and modern to compete. Through a chance meeting, a Gibson executive wound up inviting retired automotive and custom coach designer Raymond Dietrich, known for his work with Lincoln, Chrysler, and Checker Taxi, to come and design a guitar. What they wound up with were the "Reverse Body" Firebird guitars and Thunderbird basses released in 1963. There was a Firebird I, III, and V, and a Thunderbird II and IV. Both instruments in their original form used a laminated through-neck construction similar to a Rickenbacker, with a pair of wings glued to the sides of the body, and a slightly raised center section. The Thunderbird II had a single humbucking pickup, volume, and tone pot, while the more premium IV model got two humbuckers, two volume pots, and a master tone. As far as I know all of the Gibson pickups used rails rather than individual poles.

Later on, after a lawsuit brought by Fender, Gibson changed the Thunderbird (and Firebird) models to what's known as the "Non-Reverse Body", which I would argue more closely resembles Fender's "offset" body styles like the Jaguar and Jazzmaster. These instruments offer similar specs to the earlier iteration, but using set-neck construction like a Les Paul or SG. The Non-Reverse birds also have a completely flat front to the body with no raised center section. These were produced from 1966 to 1969.

The Reverse Body Thunderbird IV came back in 1976 as the Bicentennial Thunderbird, and ran until 1979, and I'd say all modern T-birds are arguably reissues and re-imaginings of the Bird.

Famous Thunderbird players include names like Justin Chancellor (Tool), Les Claypool (Primus), Kim Gordon (Sonic Youth), Glenn Cornick (Jethro Tull), Krist Novoselic (Nirvana), Peter Hook (New Order), Kim Deal (Pixies), Adam Clayton (U2), Pete Way (UFO), John Entwistle (The Who), just to name a few.

Today, Thunderbirds can be found from a variety of US and foreign manufacturers, each with their own unique character. Not all use through-neck construction, some are even bolt-ons.

A fairly comprehensive list of manufacturers and models can be found here.

Departing from the history, I find them to be a fairly versatile bass. They tend to be favored by rock musicians, and play well with a pick and fingerstyle. You can get a fairly diverse range of tones out of them, though they're mostly renowned for a sort of punchy bottom-heavy tone with excellent sustain in many circles. The scale length tends to be 34", with 20 frets, four strings, though short scales and extended range examples have been produced.

The bridge is located a few inches in fron the bottom of the body, and the headstocks can be on the large side, so what results is a standard scale length bass that feels like it;s even longer. If you're used to a P-bass, a Thunderbird is probably going to feel like a much bigger instrument in the hands, which can either be a drawback, or it might be a reason to be drawn to the instrument. They tend to be comfortable to play sitting down as well as standing up. Rumors of neck-dive are slightly eggagerated and the issue that is there is easily rectified with proper strap button placement( which the factory may not actually have done for you sadly) and strap selection.

There's kinda a love it or hate it thing going on with the Thunderbird (and apparently the Firebird too), making it kind of a polarizing name in the bass world.

I like them enough to have three, though. If you're considering getting in to one however, as always I'd suggest going to a few stores and playing a few of them before jumping in headfirst.
^This!
A beautiful, well thought out, wonderfully written response that belongs in the Tbird wiki sticky link. Have you given any thought to becoming the archive and historical manager for Gibson products? They couldn’t have said it better.

As there seems to be a community that really loves them, are there particular features/finishes/years that are particularly desirable? I’ll be honest and say that the body styles and headstock puzzle the heck out of me. I’m not enamored with their appearance, but I’m wondering if they’r an acquired taste kind of thing…it’s not a “love at first sight” kind of thing for me. The look mentally and physically awkward- but still I hear a small voice inside my head that says “hmmm…could be interesting”.
Depends on what you’re looking for sound and appearance wise:

- For crisp clear tone with the ability to dial in grit and grind look no further than the Epiphone VP released in 2017 and later renamed to the ‘60s bass, and now currently called the ‘64 Tbird. This is Epiphones reissue of the vintage Tbirds built back in the 1960’s and sound wise done quite nicely. Can be had for as little as $400 used and $850 new. Lots of visual features similar to the vintage birds as well.

- For deeper darker tone that sounds virtually identical to the modern Gibson Reverse bird but at a fraction of the price, look no further than the Epiphone CP. Now discontinued but still plenty of them on the used market. Frequently mistakenly listed as a less expensive Thunderbird IV for around $400 they typically run around $800 used. Many of the same features and identical sound as highly regarded modern reverse Gibson brand Tbirds that sell for between $1500 and $2000 used.

- For the biggest baddest bird sound out there that will completely dwarf a P bass, look no further than a Greco Tbird in either single or dual pickup configuration. Now discontinued but still readily available on the used market for between $800 and $1500. These things just stomp all over the stage with rich thick punchy bass presence at insane volumes.

- For a dirt cheap modding platform that will embarrass basses at 5 to 10 times the cost, look no further than an Epiphone Goth which can be had on the used market all day long for as little as $250 and as much as $700. Add a $5 tone Capacitor with a .022uf value and a set of Ernie Ball Cobalt Flat strings for the kill.

- For a modern hifi new wave type sound try Dingwall or Spector offerings. Used prices run $1500 and up.

Lots of great choices out there from Gibson as well, all pretty much mainstream and solid gigging basses.
 
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Well stupid or not, I just bought a damaged '21 Embassy for the 760s. The good news I should end up with pickups I know what they sound like and am happy with. (Thanks George for the heads up on this.) Hopefully the first version which seems to be a little hotter and grittier and sounds more like my '64 than any other Thunderbird pickup I have. The 60s NRs tended to be a little hotter than the early reverses from what I hear, so the 760s will be a great match. I may be able to change pickups this weekend.

Going by the below and what I saw on another it may have been one made in Indoniesia along side the Thunderbirds. Another '21 I saw was from Indonesia. But I can't pin down when that change happened.
The timeline for these Epiphone Thunderbird models can be summarized as follows:
Thunderbird Vintage Pro (introduced in 2017)
Thunderbird 60s bass (rebranded in 2021)
Thunderbird '64 (released in 2024)
The transition from the Vintage Pro to the 60s bass was done without much fanfare, and the specs remained largely the same between these two models.

I'll add a claw, put the Koreabuckers in it and likely sell it. Unless it sounds really good with those. Then I could be tempted to keep it. But I should sell it. If anyone knows where I can just get the claw tailpiece please let me know. The original one must have pulled out. Easy enough to fill and fix that. Just need "The Claw."
Da Craw?
 
The CP is a fine instrument and easily punches well above its price point. Mine is certainly in the top tier of all my Tbirds sound wise.


Two different sides of the same rare coin. The CP is as warm, smooth and dreamy as a Mediterranean beach at noon. The VP is as crisp and clear as a Montana midnight sky. Both are phenomenal players and should be in every Tbird enthusiast line up.


IIRC Philadelphia Luthier sells the claw at a reasonable price.


AllieCat gave a beautiful rundown on the Tbird background. All I’d add is that there are many different builders of Tbird shaped basses. Gibson and Epiphone are the norm and some of the best, but you’ll see many options if you know where and how to look for them (this club can help with that). Case in point, you asked about scale length, here’s some of mine, each one in a different scale length, ranging from 21” to 37”…
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^This!
A beautiful, well thought out, wonderfully written response that belongs in the Tbird wiki sticky link. Have you given any thought to becoming the archive and historical manager for Gibson products? They couldn’t have said it better.


Depends on what you’re looking for sound and appearance wise:

- For crisp clear tone with the ability to dial in grit and grind look no further than the Epiphone VP released in 2017 and later renamed to the ‘60s bass, and now currently called the ‘64 Tbird. This is Epiphones reissue of the vintage Tbirds built back in the 1960’s and sound wise done quite nicely. Can be had for as little as $400 used and $850 new. Lots of visual features similar to the vintage birds as well.

- For deeper darker tone that sounds virtually identical to the modern Gibson Reverse bird but at a fraction of the price, look no further than the Epiphone CP. Now discontinued but still plenty of them on the used market. Frequently mistakenly listed as a less expensive Thunderbird IV for around $400 they typically run around $800 used. Many of the same features and identical sound as highly regarded modern reverse Gibson brand Tbirds that sell for between $1500 and $2000 used.

- For the biggest baddest bird sound out there that will completely dwarf a P bass, look no further than a Greco Tbird in either single or dual pickup configuration. Now discontinued but still readily available on the used market for between $800 and $1500. These things just stomp all over the stage with rich thick punchy bass presence at insane volumes.

- For a dirt cheap modding platform that will embarrass basses at 5 to 10 times the cost, look no further than an Epiphone Goth which can be had on the used market all day long for as little as $250 and as much as $700. Add a $5 tone Capacitor with a .022uf value and a set of Ernie Ball Cobalt Flat strings for the kill.

- For a modern hifi new wave type sound try Dingwall or Spector offerings. Used prices run $1500 and up.

Lots of great choices out there from Gibson as well, all pretty much mainstream and solid gigging basses.
You flatter me, thank you.

Now if you don't mind I'm just gonna sit here and try not to drool ogling that Dingwall.
 
Like most basses, yes there is a community that really does love them, it's proportional in size to the relative popularity of course, so we're never going to be as large a group as say, folks that like Jazz basses, but that's cool, we're just devoted. As has been touched on, there are some interesting "Phases" of Thunderbird production over the years, they each have certain points of desirability.
The original "Reverse" from the '60s is held in pretty high regard, the necks are incredibly fast and thin (easily broken too), the multi laminate construction would be copied by many high end builders as time went on, Alembic anyone? The pickups are complex and full sounding, with some variation in each due to Gibson winding the pickups using a timer, which resulted in many being overwound. Low production numbers, just over 1000 for '63-'65 II and IV make them a bit harder to find than vintage 7enders of the same era. Regarding the "lawsuit" with 7ender, I can say that I've never seen any verifiable proof or disproof of it actually happening, I do find it noteworthy that there is no mention of it at all in Rob van den Broek's excellent reference The Gibson Bass Book | An Illustrated Tribute by Rob van den Broek
Gibson did redesign the Thunderbird for the years '65-'69, the body is essentially flipped and is a solid piece with set neck construction, these are commonly called a "Non - Reverse" or NR, again they are very desirable from the collectable and tonal standpoint, even fewer were made, around 720 or so. Both of these early versions used a two point bridge that often wouldn't intonate properly due to insufficient travel for the saddles. Production ended in 1969.
Gibson re-issued the "Reverse" from '76-'79, at first glance these basses look like the original '60s version, but are a little different in a couple of points. The upper 'Bout of the body has a slightly different shape, a new bridge, the much maligned 3 point is used and the pickups are of a completely different design. The pickups are unique to these years of production and are easily discerned from any other Thunderbird pickups by the use of 3 mounting screws instead of the usual two. Tonally, they are like no other as well, the sidewinder design pickups are wired in "series" rather than "parallel, so these Birds really do have a different sound than other - they can be very bassey, even making a lot of sub harmonic, I think they sound best played loud through a big amp, using a pick, the whole combination just seems to ignite rather gloriously. Over the years of production less than 1900 were made, so again they're kind of rare, they seem to going up in value over the last few years.
After being withdrawn from production only a few Thunderbirds were made in '86 and '87, these were done by the Custom Shop in very low numbers, mostly for Japanese dealers, they feature a '76 body, smaller tuning machines and there were a few II models produced as well.
1988 saw the reintroduction of the Thunderbird, largely due to new owner Henry J., slightly redesigned, they feature a much smaller headstock and tuners which along with the 3 point are now black, instead of chrome. The pickups are a complete crapshoot, with some early ones being '76 guts potted into the black plastic covers, some had a short lived bizarre sidewinder design. Gibson eventually settled into a twin coil ceramic magnet design but there are at least four variations of this that I've been able to document. The early years of the reissue are held in pretty high regard, the construction is the traditional 9 ply and is reasonably well done and the neck has virtually no pitch, like all previous versions.
In 2006 Gibson issued a "Studio" version of the Thunderbird, these feature a single piece slab body and a set neck with a trimmed, even smaller headstock. These basses use a more contemporary bridge design and the black plastic covered "TB-Plus" pickups, essentially a "modern" Thunderbird, they are often overlooked, too bad, as the combination of construction, pickups and bridge are excellent all around.
In 2013 Gibson reissued the Non Reverse Thunderbird as a limited run of 400, while these look like the late '60s version, they do differ in neck dimensions, (including a volute) the 3 point bridge and the TB-Plus pickups.
2015 saw Gibson release the "Reverse" with DeCola pickups, a new bridge by Babciz and increased switching options, again a modern variation of the Thunderbird, these are really nice basses.
In 2021 Gibson again reissued the Non Reverse, redesigned from the previous effort, these feature a new reissue pickup, Hipshot tuners, and a new, slightly bigger neck, these are good, sturdy basses with great tone as well.
Were I looking for a Gibson Reverse Thunderbird I would shop for a late '80s or early '90s, these are affordable, great players and have an incredible thin, fast neck with a very shallow pitch. For a Gibson Non Reverse, the 2021 or newer are hard to beat, those new pickups sound really good.

Slow morning at work today............Got a bit long winded.

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I remember hearing someone in a Gibson or related video saying that there was no lawsuit but that Gibson just decided to try a more traditional design due to low sales. That makes more sense to me since Fender didn't have any design trademarks and the NR was closer to a Fender design than the reverse was.
 
They sell only the tail piece and bridge as a set, unfortunately. Might be worth contacting them about just the claw, however.
Just sent them an email while thinking about it.
I have a Guyker two piece bridge on order. When it gets here next week I’ll check to see if the string slots on the claw line up with the Eppi bridge slots. If they do you’ll be able to purchase that bridge and claw from Amazon for about $35 including shipping, hard to beat that price if it works. They come in chrome, gold and black. Here’s the link…
 
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I remember hearing someone in a Gibson or related video saying that there was no lawsuit but that Gibson just decided to try a more traditional design due to low sales. That makes more sense to me since Fender didn't have any design trademarks and the NR was closer to a Fender design than the reverse was.
I've always thought the lawsuit story was a little odd. Has anybody ever dug up any filings proving there was a case? I agree, the NR looks more like a Fender than the reverse body. I always wondered if, after being unsuccessfully sued, they made the birds look more like offset Fenders as a sort of middle finger to their competition but I'd be open to the idea that the lawsuit never happened.