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The slight difference I can see could be attributable to difference in angle and/or lighting. Which is to say, there may not be any difference or the difference is small. But, being india ink, preparation is everything, so using IPA in place o f naptha may not be adequate. Acetone could be adequate. I suspect that naptha is specified as many commercial preparations of IPA and acetone (as you would buy them in the drug store) contain perfumes which will leave a residue.

What pickups are those and how do they sound? Do you like them?
Agree on the prep notes. The big takeaway for me was that this method is probably less than ideal for a finished fretted neck. I suspect it's critical to rough up the surface of the rosewood a bit to the ink can penetrate and that's just not an easy thing to do correctly with frets in the way.

As for the PUPs, they are a huge improvement over the stock Goth pups if you're looking for a broad tone selection. The down side is hey are a hair wider and quite a bit shorter in length that the stock PUPs so trim rings are a must.
 
FrankenGoth Pickup and Control update...

The work has been done, a decision has been made and the transplant is a success!



Roll, roll, roll in ze hay!
 
Exactly why I will NEVER use any product from ScrewMac that purports to have special guitar mojo.

From top: Fiebing's alcohol based leather dye, rosewood Squier board cleaned with naptha and a few coats of Fiebings applied, rosewood undyed Squier board, Allparts supposed ebony fretboard. Pretty sure AP's Japan supplier dyes them, black ebony has become insanely expensive.
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That's probably the route I'll end up taking. Thanks Carlo!
 
Roll, roll, roll in ze hay!


Hate to leave the people wanting:



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It would be interesting to do a shootout between the 3 different models, to find out exactly what it is yer payin' for on those more expensive models.

INded. Looking, at the website, it appears that the necks are different, but the electronics are all EMG PJ set ups.
Agree on the prep notes. The big takeaway for me was that this method is probably less than ideal for a finished fretted neck. I suspect it's critical to rough up the surface of the rosewood a bit to the ink can penetrate and that's just not an easy thing to do correctly with frets in the way.

As for the PUPs, they are a huge improvement over the stock Goth pups if you're looking for a broad tone selection. The down side is hey are a hair wider and quite a bit shorter in length that the stock PUPs so trim rings are a must.

But what are they (the pick ups)?
 
Yep.... The problem of course being, that no-one stocks any model higher than the (still Indo made and Ltd badged) STREAM-1004, so it's gonna be nigh-on impossible to try 'em side-by-side, anywhere other than the ESP stand at NAMM.

From my guitar playing days, (rather than bass), I'm familiar with Japanese made ESP quality, but whether it's worth multi-thousands.... People raising eyebrows about the 2k street price of new Gibson 'Birds. The MIJ ESP Stream CTM and "Original Stream" make that look like chump-change! LOL.
Yeah... I'm sure they take measures to see to it that folks never get the chance to do a side-by-side comparison...
 
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FrankenGoth Pickup and Control update...

The work has been done, a decision has been made and the transplant is a success!


After trying the stock Goth pups with several different pot and cap values, and doing the same with after market Bartolini pups the Goth pups were set aside in favor of the Bart's. The Goth pups were very mid range focused and lacking both the top end and bottom end of the Bart's.

Then after trying coil switching options (neck coil/Humbucker/bridge coil tap for each pup in parallel mode ) vs a single switch (that selects the neck pup neck coil in humbucking series with the bridge pup bridge coil or both pups in full Humbucker series mode) the hands down favorite was the more simplified and much more powerful single coil tap series wired switch. Two switches with three positions each and not a lot of tonal difference from position to position plus the weaker sounding parallel wiring conspired to sink the twin coil tap option. The single more powerful two position switch combined with the volume controls provides nearly as many options with much bolder series wired sound.

Finally, the passive coil tap wiring option was tested against an active option using a Spector Tonepump preamp, which failed to work properly (in hindsight I think I had the stereo output jack wired wrong) and an Aguilar OBP-2 two band preamp. The 18db bass boost of the Aggie preamp utterly destroyed the bottom end of the passive option and just completely hammered the front end of my 150watt Musicman HD150/Bergantino HT322 rig for gobs of thick gooey distortion with onboard dials maxed out and yet sounded like a concert grand piano at less insane settings. So the Aggie stays in this Bird as does the single coil tap switch. There's a time and a place for single coils (like when doing chord or harmonics work or with some effect pedals) and I now have the option to continue playing my Bird but switching from a single neck coil or a single bridge coil or both single coils in humbucking series all in one position of the switch or flipping the switch to the other position and running a full neck Humbucker or full bridge Humbucker or both humbuckers all wired in series for earth shattering effect if needed. I strongly recommend this $10 option to anyone with a Bird that has four conductor coil split capable PUPs regardless of which mode (passive or active) you have.

So here's the finished control pics...
From three knob passive (vol, vol, tone) with front mounted output jack, to four knob active (vol, vol, bass with 18db cut or boost sweep, treb with 18db cut or boost sweep) with two position coil tap switch (just the neck coil of neck pup and the bridge coil of the bridge pup combined in humbucking series, or both full humbuckers in series) and a side mounted output jack with a rear mounted battery box.
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Now that I have the engine finely tuned and running smooth I'll start to focus on the aesthetic features of the bass. Trim rings, a unique pickguard and truss cover and maybe even some contour routing and accent painting along with darkening that darn rosewood fretboard. I don't want to lose the TBird look or vibe but I do want it to be unique and personal. I'm half way to where I want to be and learning a lot along the way.


Commas, dude.
 
Exactly why I will NEVER use any product from ScrewMac that purports to have special guitar mojo.

From top: Fiebing's alcohol based leather dye, rosewood Squier board cleaned with naptha and a few coats of Fiebings applied, rosewood undyed Squier board, Allparts supposed ebony fretboard. Pretty sure AP's Japan supplier dyes them, black ebony has become insanely expensive.
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Dots can be obliterated with a sharpie if desired.

The leather dye works a treat and the finished result looks great.
 
All this talk of the ESP Stream..... (Well, it has the vague whiff of a T'Bird, so maybe not completely off-topic.) Frustration about the lack of appearance of both the EPi Embassy Pro and T'Bird Vintage Pro, in the UK, (seriously beginning to doubt we'll see them here this side of Christmas), got the better of me yesterday.... So I have an Ibanez Destroyer inbound, to keep the GAS in-check until then.....

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The joke being.... That fast approaching 50, receding hairline, and sporting a little too much belly fat.... The T'Bird isn't a good look on me. I don't plan on wearing this one in public either! LOL.
 
Band practice went amazing tonight. You know that feeling when your band is playing and the sound of your bass is the greatest sounding bass you have ever played and how you wish the moment would last forever?. We finally exhausted our attempts finding an effects player to join us so we decided to let a 2nd guitar player help with filling in some voids. Well I concerned about having to cut through the sound of two 6ers but not concerned anymore. My Bird was so prominent and powerful I didnt even use any dirt in some songs, when we got to pounding and digging and working through the high registers the clarity of my 70 - 135 gauge strings and the tone were top notch, I feel like I should be riding in a convertible at the front of a parade and holding my Bird in the air like a championship trophy while the crowd rejoices and the press photographers fight for premium real estate for the perfect picture in tomorrows front page news.
I LOVE MY BIRD!:hyper:
 
All this talk of the ESP Stream..... (Well, it has the vague whiff of a T'Bird, so maybe not completely off-topic.) Frustration about the lack of appearance of both the EPi Embassy Pro and T'Bird Vintage Pro, in the UK, (seriously beginning to doubt we'll see them here this side of Christmas), got the better of me yesterday.... So I have an Ibanez Destroyer inbound, to keep the GAS in-check until then.....

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The joke being.... That fast approaching 50, receding hairline, and sporting a little too much belly fat.... The T'Bird isn't a good look on me. I don't plan on wearing this one in public either! LOL.

The more attention that the bass draws, the less attention that is paid to the appearance of the player. Or at least, that is my theory.
 

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