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Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by soong, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. soulman969


    Oct 6, 2011
    Based on all of what you say I don't think we're very different at all in how we approach music and paying gigs. The only difference may be our price tags.

    I'm not really competing with those players who are making a living in clubs either because around here there are damn few of them left any longer if any.

    My price is based on the fact that I can eat at home after the gig if I choose because I seldom if ever eat before one and I don't drink any alcohol when I gig.

    So providing me with free food and four or five shift drinks isn't enticing when a venue figures them at retail value as a part of the payment we're getting.

    I'll take the $30-$50 they count that as in cash please.

    Just as aside. I've played many weddings and private parties where the band was fed and there was an open bar but never had to take less than our usual and customary fee for doing the gig because of it. I'm sorry but the food and drink thing is only a way for a club to trade wholesale cost for retail cash. Pay me my usual rate and if I'd like a drink or burger I'll be more than happy to pay for it at their usual rates just as I do everywhere else.

    But, my honest belief as that each of us should do as we please. We have that right. What you're quoting out of context is only my stating that the poster it was directed to was confirming what the OP posted. I agree with the OP but I'm not foolish enough to believe it's gonna change the way someone else conducts their business. You all have a right to do it your way just as I have to do it mine. No one needs to get defensive about it.
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2018
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  2. Pbassmanca

    Pbassmanca In the pocket n' thumpy. So woody, so greasy... Supporting Member

    SactoCabs!!!! :thumbsup:
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  3. Reedt2000

    Reedt2000 Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2017
    Central New Jersey
    Well in all fairness you didn't actively reach out to the customers of another local cab builder and tell them you'd do the same job for half the price. I see what you were going for but doesn't seem like apples to apples...
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  4. SactoBass

    SactoBass There are some who call me.......Sactobass Supporting Member

    Jul 8, 2009
    Sacramento CA
    IMO, that is one of the best statements in this thread! :thumbsup:
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  5. SactoBass

    SactoBass There are some who call me.......Sactobass Supporting Member

    Jul 8, 2009
    Sacramento CA
    LOL! That's what I should have called them! :roflmao:
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  6. djp420


    Jul 30, 2011
    Brooklyn, NY
    Amen! I do it every day because I love doing it. If money is offered Ill take it but I'll play rain or shine simply because I love it.
  7. SactoBass

    SactoBass There are some who call me.......Sactobass Supporting Member

    Jul 8, 2009
    Sacramento CA
    Ah! Very good! That's a good point, and I agree with you! :thumbsup:

    Of course, I had zero interest in becoming a cab builder for others, but let's just say for a fictitious moment that I *DID* have that interest, and that I *DID* offer to build cabs at half the going rate, and some of those customers *DID* decide to go with my services rather than the services of other established cab makers. My response to that would be twofold:

    1) I didn't force anyone to do anything. Those customers that switched over to my services made that choice for themselves.

    2) Those other cab makers just learned a good lesson (the hard way) in free enterprise. A good wake up call, eh? If they want to earn back the business that they lost, they have to up their game and do a better job of providing what the public wants compared to what I would provide the public. That's just how it goes. Welcome to life on planet Earth.

    Applying paragraph #2 above to bands, if a particular band feels that they are missing out on potential music money because other bands are playing for less or for free, that band has to up their game if they want some of the pie. They have to "out perform" those other bands. The musicianship and performance has to be on a higher level in order to attract the gigs. And if that band really is that good, then that band will indeed attract the gigs, especially the well-paying gigs. It's all about public appeal. And it's up to the band to earn that public appeal. If that doesn't happen, then that means the public doesn't find that band appealing. That's the band's fault, not the fault of other bands who play for less or for free.
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  8. Bullitt5135


    Nov 16, 2010
    SE Michigan
    You asked for it. I'm not positive, but I may be the world's preeminent portable toilet photographer. I have no reason to believe otherwise, until I see some potty pics from Clay Blackmore. Or Patty Daniels. Or Morris Wolf. Or Andrew Marcus in NYC.
    I think you may have missed the intended sarcasm of my initial post.
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  9. Absolutely missed it. Have to change the battery in my sarcasm detector. Sorry I was offensive.

    I’ve heard that argument for real, though.
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  10. SactoBass

    SactoBass There are some who call me.......Sactobass Supporting Member

    Jul 8, 2009
    Sacramento CA
    Oh yes.......I like how you approached your subject. Good angle. Provocative lighting. Just the right amount of lid opening. A definite winner for the next cover of Toilet Today Magazine! :thumbsup:
  11. Bullitt5135


    Nov 16, 2010
    SE Michigan
    Thanks for the correction, but you never critiqued my work. I think it's bold, but not pretentious. A certain je ne sais quoi, don't you think? It sort of has a Mona Lisa smile.
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  12. DrayMiles


    Feb 24, 2007
    East Coast
    I seriously doubt that anyone is trying to restrict the right to choose. It is called the music business. And is it criminal to consider a different perspective? Sometimes disagreements can lead to enlightenment.
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  13. SactoBass

    SactoBass There are some who call me.......Sactobass Supporting Member

    Jul 8, 2009
    Sacramento CA
    I think Mona Lisa would be proud to sit on that! :D
  14. Bullitt5135


    Nov 16, 2010
    SE Michigan
    Why do you think she has that look on her face? :thumbsup:

    14 pages and this thread is officially in the toilet.
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  15. mongo2


    Feb 17, 2008
    Da Shaw
    That is exactly what the OP wants to do with his post about refusing $50 + meal gigs. He wants to eliminate that choice.
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2018 at 4:22 AM
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  16. mongo2


    Feb 17, 2008
    Da Shaw
    It was there with the first post.
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  17. the slug

    the slug man, why the long face Supporting Member

    May 21, 2014
    according to little Milton she was a man........who knew
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  18. pcake

    pcake Supporting Member

    Sep 20, 2011
    Los Angeleez
    they're having work taken away by amateurs. it used to be EVERY wedding i knew hired a wedding photographer - every single one. when i went to a wedding, there was a pro with 2 full frame cameras around their necks and sometimes a third for video. now one out of two weddings i go to or am invited to has a relative or friend do the photography or hand out cameras to the crowd.

    and there are some photographers talking about it - here's one, a respected guy who's often sourced on dpreview:

    Wedding Photography is Dead

    and yeah, some are talking about it one way or another

    Pros Vs. Joes - The Difference Between Amateur and Professional Photographers - DIY Photography

    7 Reasons Why Hiring an Amateur Photographer For Your Wedding Is a Huge Mistake
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  19. mongo2


    Feb 17, 2008
    Da Shaw
    Some say she was Da Vinci himself.
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  20. Kriegs

    Kriegs I like things with strings Supporting Member

    Feb 14, 2018
    MA/ RI area
    Yes, you did.
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