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Uber 410 = Uber Bad *ss

#441
hasbeen said:
we felt we weren't compromising our "tone goal" with the lightweight head; tone has to come first.

To go lighter than our current offerings in cabinets, our goal would be compromised.

Also, we're fully aware that many will be putting our lightweight heads on cabs from other manufacturers. That isn't the norm in the guitar world but it is quite customary in the bass world.
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Ah an answer. Thank you. Just didn't make sense to me. The SM 12 is an extreme in the lightweight category but a heavy hitter. It just made sense there would be an extreme light weight heavy hitting cab. Not that some of those cabs are real heavy just a little more than the average lightweight IMO.

I have not played any of the GB Cabs so perhaps that is the part of the equation I'm missing.


BTW according to the tracking number I have an SM 12 on the way to me. :hyper:
 
#442
Red Planet said:
Ah an answer. Thank you.
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In fairness to Eublet, he really did give you this answer a few posts back.

Eublet said:
Surely you know that everything is about tradeoffs. It's been expressed here by the Genz guys several times that having a specific tonal characteristic was the driving goal in the Uber line, combined with neo drivers to help keep the weight down. The goal was not an ultra lightweight cabinet. Everything plays into the weight and tone of a cabinet. Bracing, wood choice, thickness of wood, port design, etc. Favoring one way or the other has it's own effects on the end result.
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#443
OK back to my thoughts on this.


The way I see it is, GB has a need for some cabs that are bigger than the small stuff but lighter than any of their current lineup. To match up with the SM 12.


The Uber Cabs seem like very nice cabs.


OK back to your regularly scheduled programming and sorry for the derail. :)
 
#444
I see what your saying but Hasbeen stated that tone comes first. Sure, they could make a lighter cabinet but it wouldn't be up to their tone standards.

I will go with tone over weight everytime. It's just nice when you get light gear that sounds good. My Uber212 doesn't even fit in my trunk because it's too deep, but I wouldn't even consider getting rid of it since it sounds so good.
 
#445
blmeier7 said:
I see what your saying but Hasbeen stated that tone comes first. Sure, they could make a lighter cabinet but it wouldn't be up to their tone standards.

I will go with tone over weight everytime. It's just nice when you get light gear that sounds good. My Uber212 doesn't even fit in my trunk because it's too deep, but I wouldn't even consider getting rid of it since it sounds so good.
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Well they do make lighter cabs but I have played a good number of cabs that weigh the same as their smallest stuff but will eat it for breakfast. So it's not like it cant be done.

I concede to the Ubers having a certain direction and as I said have not played/heard one.

I think there is room for one more line in the GB Cab line. :)
 
#446
Red Planet said:
Well they do make lighter cabs but I have played a good number of cabs that weigh the same as their smallest stuff but will eat it for breakfast. So it's not like it cant be done.

I concede to the Ubers having a certain direction and as I said have not played/heard one.

I think there is room for one more line in the GB Cab line. :)
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well....you'll have to define "eat it for breakfast". Their are so many good cabs out their these days, with exemplary performance. When one says that one "eats another for breakfast", we're really getting into the subjective.

Quantifying the performance of a cabinet is so involved that I don't know how one can make a scientific study. Many of my favorite sounding 4x10's weigh well over 70 pounds. I can't gig with them though.

Many others, are what I call "application specific". I've been very public that I'm a fan of Epi's UL 4x10...series I. However, I like it for certain musical environments. For others, I'll switch to another brand.

At the end of the day, you feel our "larger" cabs are "too" big and our smaller cabs don't please you. I get it. You'll get no argument from me ....what you like is what you like. There isn't a store in existance though where you can A/B our current cab offering from our different series against those of another builder. So, we're talking the theoretical anyway.
 
#447
hasbeen said:
well....you'll have to define "eat it for breakfast". Their are so many good cabs out their these days, with exemplary performance. When one says that one "eats another for breakfast", we're really getting into the subjective.

Quantifying the performance of a cabinet is so involved that I don't know how one can make a scientific study. Many of my favorite sounding 4x10's weigh well over 70 pounds. I can't gig with them though.

Many others, are what I call "application specific". I've been very public that I'm a fan of Epi's UL 4x10...series I. However, I like it for certain musical environments. For others, I'll switch to another brand.

At the end of the day, you feel our "larger" cabs are "too" big and our smaller cabs don't please you. I get it. You'll get no argument from me ....what you like is what you like. There isn't a store in existence though where you can A/B our current cab offering from our different series against those of another builder. So, we're talking the theoretical anyway.
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You mean to tell me that "eat for breakfast" is not a scientific term?:D

Not dissing your cabs at all when I said that.

I just think there is room for more in your line. :)
 
#448
The phrase "eat it for breakfast" sounds silly to me as it implies some kind of universal dominance that all would agree with. It's just not so. Tonally speaking I've been underwhelmed by some of the highly esteemed cabs here at TB, and liked others that some dislike, but I can see what someone would just love most all of them and think it was the best cab ever.

And +1 to hasbeen. A company doesn't have to have a line of cabinets that will try to please everyone. The way I see Genz, they've really hit home runs with some target groups. The NeoX series IMHO is a pretty unique design. The Neo-pak, GBE, and now the Shuttle series are great, and I've yet to hear anyone give a negative review of the Uber series. If everyone out there demanded a 50lb 410, then perhaps Genz would be behind the curve. From my perspective they are ahead of it and have been for quite some time. And as they continue to grow who knows, maybe they'll have that full line of ultralight cabinets as well? But someone is still gonna complain about them and say they're missing a niche. Just can't win 'em all, and at the end of the day, why would you really want to?
 
#449
Red Planet said:
You mean to tell me that "eat for breakfast" is not a scientific term?:D

Not dissing your cabs at all when I said that.

I just think there is room for more in your line. :)
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I understand. Since cabinets are so "application specific", I agree there is always room for more selection. For instance, I'd love to have multi-driver cab....i.e. 1x8 with 15 or something like that.

My challenge is asking myself how many we'd sell.
 
#450
hasbeen said:
I understand. Since cabinets are so "application specific", I agree there is always room for more selection. For instance, I'd love to have multi-driver cab....i.e. 1x8 with 15 or something like that.

My challenge is asking myself how many we'd sell.
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I'm just curious how many people approach you and say "you do not have a cabinet/amp combination that works for me, could you build something else? Bottom line... who even comes up to the band stand and says "oh BTW if you had so & so combo instead of what you have , you would sound way better than you do".....are you kidding me that the whole world of bassists cannot find some combo from GB that works for them? Sometimes I feel like we are all beating dead horses with the search for the perfect rig. If you cannot find something that works for you in the GB line, then you are either too anal or ******** and dont deserve to play through a nice rig thats affordable and durable. All I get are compliments about my rig and I searched for 20 some years for what works for me, I can practically 1 hand your cabinets and my 4 year old grandson can carry my amp to the gig, what the h*** is all the talk about lighter and better. GMAB, GB gear is as light as gui-tards gear and someone is not happy? If you cannot be happy with the innovative gear of today, then there is something majorly wrong with you. Remember gear from the 70s and 80s? We survived and no one said anything about it. 410s...212s...6 or 1200 D class watts w/FET/tube and footswitchable....feather light.....no complaints.
 
#451
hasbeen said:
I understand. Since cabinets are so "application specific", I agree there is always room for more selection. For instance, I'd love to have multi-driver cab....i.e. 1x8 with 15 or something like that.

My challenge is asking myself how many we'd sell.
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Uuuuuhhhhh talk to me.

How bout a 4 ohmer?

BTW folks I did not mean to imply Genz Benz line of Cabs is anything less than stellar. They have a rather huge lineup and a very diverse range.
 
#452
Sick... hits hard...more filling


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#454
RickenBoogie said:
Awesome rig Fretless, just awesome. I'm not a fan of GB's amps, but a HUGE fan of the Uber cabs, as I've been saying for the last month. That 210/212 stack just has to kill. Seriously.
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if you ever have the time to tell me what you don't like about our amps, I love getting critical feedback.

You can always PM me if you'd like....or post here...whatever you're comfortable with. I don't want to take your time but many times we learn more from talking with those that aren't "on board".

And thanks for the kind words about the cabs.

Thanks,
Roger
 
#455
This is where the crew at Genz shines. They want to know what you don't like so they can improve their gear so you will like it more. Find another company that anal and that interested in your thoughts.

hasbeen said:
if you ever have the time to tell me what you don't like about our amps, I love getting critical feedback.

You can always PM me if you'd like....or post here...whatever you're comfortable with. I don't want to take your time but many times we learn more from talking with those that aren't "on board".

And thanks for the kind words about the cabs.

Thanks,
Roger
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