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Uber 410 = Uber Bad *ss

#421
blmeier7 said:
Yes, I am also curious of the Uber 210 review. My Uber 212 needs a friend.

I had my first outdoor gig with my Uber 212 this past weekend and it seemed to hang in there just fine. I was a little worried that the 212 couldn't handle an outdoor gig with 300+ people, but it did. The volume on my ShuttleMax 12 was just above 10:00 so I still had plenty of volume left. Our lead guitarist even commented that the new cab was too punchy :eyebrow:, is there such a thing:hmm:
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I think your Uber 212s friend is possibly a new Uber 410 and the 212 deserves a friend like that? Then you will rule every guitard and stage like Buf says and be the feely in my chest bass instead of the loudy annoying bass like all gui-tards that play too loud and try to drown the whole band. The UB 210 would kick also though with a 212. I play 2 cabs with the SM 12 on 10:00 and there is no want for anymore inside or outside.
 
#422
Bassistman said:
I think your Uber 212s friend is possibly a new Uber 410 and the 212 deserves a friend like that? Then you will rule every guitard and stage like Buf says and be the feely in my chest bass instead of the loudy annoying bass like all gui-tards that play too loud and try to drown the whole band. The UB 210 would kick also though with a 212. I play 2 cabs with the SM 12 on 10:00 and there is no want for anymore inside or outside.
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Yeah, I would love to have a good reason to buy the Uber 410 but the truth is I really don't need it. Since that post I went ahead and purchased a GB NeoX112T. It made a lot more sense as an at home practice cab that will only leave the house a couple times a year.

I just got the 112T last week and while it's a great sounding cab I think I've been spoiled by the Uber tone. I'm hoping that after I've played the cab through a couple of practices that it will "open" up some. The tone of the 112T sounds more mid-compressed when I compare it to the Uber 212, but then again they are two completely different cabs. If the 112 doesn't sound the way I want it to after a couple of months of playing I may have to replace it with the Uber 210. But I'm absolutely in love with the Uber 212, it's an amazing cabinet!
 
#423
Last night I was playing my bass thru my GBE 1200 and Uber 410 and my mom-78 years old walked into the room and started dancing, for the first time in years... saying, "Wow-I don't ever remember your bass sounding that great-I can't not dance to that !" You gotta love a mom like that!! Peace...DAcat :cool:
 
#424
Here are the tracks from last night (although the site sems to have taken some of the shine off of the recordings :hmm:). Warwick Corvette 5 (eq flat)--> GBE 1200 (both channels, flat EQ, LF Extend at noon) --> Uber 410 (horn at noon). Slight compression at the board, no other effecting, EQ or otherwise. The engineer was very pleased with the sound :)

Monster Truck - southern rock. I dialed in some nice tube channel OD for this one, both EQ channels still engaged.
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The Sentinel - kinda modern metal. Clean all the way, both channels dialed in evenly.
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#425
KsPiNeSh said:
Here are the tracks from last night (although the site sems to have taken some of the shine off of the recordings :hmm:). Warwick Corvette 5 (eq flat)--> GBE 1200 (both channels, flat EQ, LF Extend at noon) --> Uber 410 (horn at noon). Slight compression at the board, no other effecting, EQ or otherwise. The engineer was very pleased with the sound :)

Monster Truck - southern rock. I dialed in some nice tube channel OD for this one, both EQ channels still engaged.
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The Sentinel - kinda modern metal. Clean all the way, both channels dialed in evenly.
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Nice job! No problem getting that Warwick growl coming through. The B sounds especially nice and defined with the LF extension engaged. My band has been working on covering Disturbed - "Inside the Fire" and the LF extension really makes a big difference when tuned down a whole step to low A! The Uber just says "No Problem!"
 
#426
BuffaloBob4343 said:
Nice job! No problem getting that Warwick growl coming through. The B sounds especially nice and defined with the LF extension engaged. My band has been working on covering Disturbed - "Inside the Fire" and the LF extension really makes a big difference when tuned down a whole step to low A! The Uber just says "No Problem!"
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Thanks! I am actually tuned down to A, so you are 100% correct about the Uber not even flinching. In fact, I would daresay that it enjoyed the workout :)

In a slightly interesting note, the B-string on my Corvette right now is ~ a year old. Because of the funky Warwick narrow tailpiece I have failed to get a proper replacement, and it still popped like that after a full year of beating :bassist:
 
#427
blmeier7 said:
Yeah, I would love to have a good reason to buy the Uber 410 but the truth is I really don't need it. Since that post I went ahead and purchased a GB NeoX112T. It made a lot more sense as an at home practice cab that will only leave the house a couple times a year.

I just got the 112T last week and while it's a great sounding cab I think I've been spoiled by the Uber tone. I'm hoping that after I've played the cab through a couple of practices that it will "open" up some. The tone of the 112T sounds more mid-compressed when I compare it to the Uber 212, but then again they are two completely different cabs. If the 112 doesn't sound the way I want it to after a couple of months of playing I may have to replace it with the Uber 210. But I'm absolutely in love with the Uber 212, it's an amazing cabinet!
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I agree with that..the UB410 is definately the best 410 I have owned, the 112 just does not have the open resonance of a pair or quad 10s, but I get it with the portability thing and a good traveling cab. I'm not knocking that series (112-212T), it's just not for me...when I tried that cab(s) it was very middy and edgy and did not sit very well in the mix. I like ultra compressed cut through balls to the wall ported rawness, but still a little High Fi similar to the Eden XLT or like what I get out of the UB series. But I'm sure some disagree and thats cool with me.
Peace
 
#428
Bassistman said:
I agree with that..the UB410 is definately the best 410 I have owned, the 112 just does not have the open resonance of a pair or quad 10s, but I get it with the portability thing and a good traveling cab. I'm not knocking that series (112-212T), it's just not for me...when I tried that cab(s) it was very middy and edgy and did not sit very well in the mix. I like ultra compressed cut through balls to the wall ported rawness, but still a little High Fi similar to the Eden XLT or like what I get out of the UB series. But I'm sure some disagree and thats cool with me.
Peace
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I'm not sure I would call the Uber 410 Ultra-compressed. BUT, I think it does have a very well-behaved response that is partly due to the purposely designed in dip in the upper mids. To me, it yields an old-school sound with a touch of modern clarity. That is a perfect sound for me.:D
 
#429
Guys I love the Genz Benz Shuttle Max Amps, I think they are perhaps the best amps on the planet, because of features and lightweightness.

But

I just can't see how the GB Cabs can be so darn heavy. What gives? Do they sound "that" good?

Will they ever offer some lighter cabs?
 
#432
Red Planet said:
I just can't see how the GB Cabs can be so darn heavy. What gives? Do they sound "that" good?

Will they ever offer some lighter cabs?
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My last Genz Benz 410 was an original XB series that I'm pretty sure clocked in at right around 100 pounds, so the Uber is a breeze compared to that one.

As far as sounding "that" good, a number of us certainly think so :) And they have some lighter cabs - the NEOX-212T cab only weighs 55 pounds and IMO is just a different flavor of "that" good. "That" is why I have both :D:bassist:
 
#433
There's plenty of lighter cabs to be had, so if that's what's important to you, by all means. Me, I like a BIG sound, and the Uber 212 delivers. Honestly, all the fuss about super lightweight gear, it's sort of becoming the only thing some of us seem to care about. Truth is, good tone and solid construction is worth a whole lot more to me. Besides, in the big picture, the Uber cabs are sort of a happy medium, weight-wise, yet deliver the goods better than some of the heavyweights.
 
#434
RickenBoogie said:
There's plenty of lighter cabs to be had, so if that's what's important to you, by all means. Me, I like a BIG sound, and the Uber 212 delivers. Honestly, all the fuss about super lightweight gear, it's sort of becoming the only thing some of us seem to care about. Truth is, good tone and solid construction is worth a whole lot more to me. Besides, in the big picture, the Uber cabs are sort of a happy medium, weight-wise, yet deliver the goods better than some of the heavyweights.
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I agree with everything you have said except they are Manufacturing a 1200 watt head that weighs 6 pounds or so. Why make a super powerful ligweight head that is insane light then only sell medium light cabs that can take the power?
 
#435
Red Planet said:
I agree with everything you have said except they are Manufacturing a 1200 watt head that weighs 6 pounds or so. Why make a super powerful ligweight head that is insane light then only sell medium light cabs that can take the power?
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The NeoX 212 is 50 lbs. Plenty "light" although not maximally so. Surely you know that everything is about tradeoffs. It's been expressed here by the Genz guys several times that having a specific tonal characteristic was the driving goal in the Uber line, combined with neo drivers to help keep the weight down. The goal was not an ultra lightweight cabinet. Everything plays into the weight and tone of a cabinet. Bracing, wood choice, thickness of wood, port design, etc. Favoring one way or the other has it's own effects on the end result.
 
#436
Eublet said:
The NeoX 212 is 50 lbs. Plenty "light" although not maximally so. Surely you know that everything is about tradeoffs. It's been expressed here by the Genz guys several times that having a specific tonal characteristic was the driving goal in the Uber line, combined with neo drivers to help keep the weight down. The goal was not an ultra lightweight cabinet. Everything plays into the weight and tone of a cabinet. Bracing, wood choice, thickness of wood, port design, etc. Favoring one way or the other has it's own effects on the end result.
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Yes, thank you.

There is a big tradeoff between size and low frequency extension. A larger cabinet unfortunately weighs a bit more. Tradeoff defined...
 
#437
Eublet said:
The NeoX 212 is 50 lbs. Plenty "light" although not maximally so. Surely you know that everything is about tradeoffs. It's been expressed here by the Genz guys several times that having a specific tonal characteristic was the driving goal in the Uber line, combined with neo drivers to help keep the weight down. The goal was not an ultra lightweight cabinet. Everything plays into the weight and tone of a cabinet. Bracing, wood choice, thickness of wood, port design, etc. Favoring one way or the other has it's own effects on the end result.
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Yeah, I don't want to hear any complaining! I would LOVE to have a 50 lb 212! My Epifani 212 is 79 lbs!!! 30 lbs is an OCEAN of difference!
 
#438
agedhorse said:
Yes, thank you.

There is a big tradeoff between size and low frequency extension. A larger cabinet unfortunately weighs a bit more. Tradeoff defined...
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Wouldn't change anything about the Uber 410, especially to save just a few more pounds. You guys hit the proverbial nail on its proverbial head with these cabs.

I'm saving my pennies so I can get me an Uber 210 for a smaller lighter rig option. 50 pounds will be just fine!
 
#439
Red Planet said:
I agree with everything you have said except they are Manufacturing a 1200 watt head that weighs 6 pounds or so. Why make a super powerful ligweight head that is insane light then only sell medium light cabs that can take the power?
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we felt we weren't compromising our "tone goal" with the lightweight head; tone has to come first.

To go lighter than our current offerings in cabinets, our goal would be compromised.

Also, we're fully aware that many will be putting our lightweight heads on cabs from other manufacturers. That isn't the norm in the guitar world but it is quite customary in the bass world.
 

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