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Vegetarian Club Anyone?

#310
Now that I don't eat meat, ok..just fish... I am thinking about to milk or not milk. I use lactose free milk now because I cannot digest any form or regular milk. My question is...is milk bad for you or not. I hear and read about possible links to prostate cancer in men, breast cancer in women, etc... for those of you here who are Vegan, is this fact or fiction? Here is one link I have read among several..Thanks for your response.

http://nutriliteforlife.blogspot.com/2007/05/whats-wrong-with-milk.html
 
#311
The bulk of research (not sponsored by the dairy industry) links milk to a wide variety of serious disease. The China Study is a great read and very comprehensive.

On a more common sense/personal level, if you body is rejecting it (lactose intolerance) it is clear it is especially not a good food for you.

I am vegan except for the occasional cheese. It is a tough give up, and there are addictive substance in cheese (caesonmorphones (sp?)) that some people (like myself) are particularly susceptible to.
 
#312
Cows milk is designed by nature for baby cows, not humans. Humans are the only species on the planet that drink the milk of another species.

Almond milk and soy milk are my first choices. I have not drunk milk or eaten cheese or any dairy since 1996 and I am perfectly healthy. My son is 4.5 years old and has never eaten meat or dairy and he's very tall (and healthy) for his age.
 
#314
RS said:
The bulk of research (not sponsored by the dairy industry) links milk to a wide variety of serious disease. The China Study is a great read and very comprehensive.

On a more common sense/personal level, if you body is rejecting it (lactose intolerance) it is clear it is especially not a good food for you.

I am vegan except for the occasional cheese. It is a tough give up, and there are addictive substance in cheese (caesonmorphones (sp?)) that some people (like myself) are particularly susceptible to.
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You know what really troubles me is the fact that all of the advertising and commercial that have the "milk does a body good" etc thrown at the public all day long, when in fact there are studies that suggest other wise.:eyebrow: Somebody is lying.:rollno: How can you go on t.v and say such and such is good for the body if there if proof that it is not?:hmm: Does the dairy industry have that much power where they can openly lie to the public?:eyebrow:
 
#316
Fire-Starter said:
You know what really troubles me is the fact that all of the advertising and commercial that have the "milk does a body good" etc thrown at the public all day long, when in fact there are studies that suggest other wise.:eyebrow: Somebody is lying.:rollno: How can you go on t.v and say such and such is good for the body if there if proof that it is not?:hmm: Does the dairy industry have that much power where they can openly lie to the public?:eyebrow:
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Well, when you have a multimillion dollar advertising budget to bombard the public over decades, that the result. Selling product has nothing to do with the truth.

Actually, there are instances where the govt has endorsed animal agriculture industry lies. Most notably PETA and others sued the California Milk Advisory Board for false advertising over their "Happy Cows" ads. Even the most ardent cheese lover would have to concede that dairy factory farm conditions would not make any animal "happy". Even though the judge basically conceded to PETAs argument he ruled for the CMAB, saying govt agencies are exempt from false advertising laws. Appeals were filed all the way up to the state supreme court where again, the court ruled that it’s legal for the government to lie to consumers.
 
#317
My personal opinion on this is that if you have a cow, and it eats grass in the field and you milk it yourself, then milk is fine. Make cheese, butter and whatnot from it and enjoy. Its all the crap that they do to get milk to us commercially that disturbs me. Starting with what they feed the cows, what kind of stuff they put in the feed, how they are treated and housed and what they do to the milk after it is extracted from the cow is where all the problems come from (read: Pastuerization). Oh, and I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian-I try to be pretty picky about where my dairy products come from.
 
#318
i get ticked by the ads suggesting milk is a good source of calcium (which, i believe, is why it does our bodies "good"). i don't think it is a good source of calcium. i have read that the animal proteins acidify our blood thus pulling minerals out of our bodies. yes, there is calcium in cow's milk. but how much assimilation and net gain is there in our bodies?

i have also read that raw cow milk (as ol'bass is suggesting) has enzymes in it which would prevent lacto-intolerance. as with most things, getting as close to the source as possible and keeping it as natural as possible seems to always be the best no matter what your dietary choices are. lots of folks here in iowa will raise an animal under the healthiest conditions possible (iow: small scale of one or two animals) and then butcher it and split up the meat between the folks who paid and cared for it. it is co-operative. i still don't eat meat, but i appreciate their conscientiousness.

btw, if you take a statistics class, and really pay attention, you will learn that you can "prove" anything you want thru research and data crunching.

i just try to stay close to the source.

and would rather that our judicial branch didn't allow governments and corporations to lie to us. i know, i know, you may say i am a dreamer....
 
#319
::::BASSIST:::: said:
Cows milk is designed by nature for baby cows, not humans. Humans are the only species on the planet that drink the milk of another species.

Almond milk and soy milk are my first choices. I have not drunk milk or eaten cheese or any dairy since 1996 and I am perfectly healthy. My son is 4.5 years old and has never eaten meat or dairy and he's very tall (and healthy) for his age.
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my 13yr old boy went from 5'5" to 5"11" this year. and doesn't seem to be stopping. his dairy intake is pretty much just pizza and ice cream, neither of which he eats too often. he has been a vege since birth (i do the cooking). we are definitely low on the dairy side of things cause i do plan ahead and pay attention to how much dairy comes into the house. its amazing, they eat what you buy. hmmm, how to make kids eat healthy choices.... hmmm...

(ok, ok, i am not saying he doesn't get his fair share of junk food, but i keep pretty good control. i don't buy soda or candy bars.)
 
#320
EBodious said:
i get ticked by the ads suggesting milk is a good source of calcium (which, i believe, is why it does our bodies "good"). i don't think it is a good source of calcium. i have read that the animal proteins acidify our blood thus pulling minerals out of our bodies. yes, there is calcium in cow's milk. but how much assimilation and net gain is there in our bodies?
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Yup. Look at the countries with the highest dairy consumption also have the highest incidences of osteoperosis.

Also, plant based calcium is more more easily absorbed than animal sources calcium, thuse vegans need less calcium than omnivores.
 

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