Was there any good punk rock?

[Grinderman]

I didn't say that. However, latin's influences on Portuguese language are huge.

They don't need you to. They operate their rodeo however which way they please.

 

[zubrycky]

They don't need you to. They operate their rodeo however which way they please.

It's the Chewbacca Defense.

 

[monkeyfinger]

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And when was the last time you heard blues music being played at a frat party?
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So what we are left with, according to you, is that the only thing of value in music is what is on the playlist at the local frat party. That is a pretty dismal view of the world.

That's a pretty weak argument, it's a barometer of change, not the be all.

I am much less concerned about the strength of my argument.

 

[zubrycky]

I didn't say that. However, latin's influences on Portuguese language are huge.

As @J_Bass is able to confirm, due to its origins, Portuguese's grammar is way more complicated than English's.

 

[FryFunk]

A dead language is, by definition, a language that is no longer the native language of any community.

Sure.

It's something completely unrelated to any musical genre that's still being played and listened. To truly kill a musical genre,

Sure, I'll concede "truly dead" is a bit more specific.

you must destroy physically all its recordings, instruments, musicians, listeners, musicologists, historians and, of course, all the methods and all the sheet music related to that musical genre.

That argument would make sense if you were talking about a language with no written traditions.

The thing about latin is that there's a mountain of literature still being studied at universities/churches etc.

The specifics of it being dead is as you said not a language that is natively spoken.

It can be done but it's not an easy task.

The magic of compound interest.

It'd be an easy argument to say the popularity of rock cuts in half with each generations(backed up by album sales).

The decline could plateau and bottom out with rock being on an equal footing with Jazz and Classical, but I'm only very recently becoming skeptical of that.

If you ask me what instruments, I'll try to put on my future kids, it use to be 100% guitar drums bass.

I'm fast thinking I'll be aiming at Cello etc for my kids.

 

[Grinderman]

I am much less concerned about the strength of my argument.

When were you in fact last in a frat house, Sir?

 

[Grinderman]

 

[zubrycky]

Lesson learned: Every single musical form outside current mainstream is dead or dying...

 

[FryFunk]

When were you in fact last in a frat house, Sir?

Trying to make fun of me is just making it seem I got you on the ropes.

This is internet 101, attack the person if you can't attack the argument.

You're trying to act as if this is something I've come up with off the fly.

I was almost literally the last of rock in a frat house generation.

I remember listening to my parents "kids these days" nonsense.

If you told me in 2005 you might have had me convinced.

But we know have 50 years of album sales in front of us.

This is a conversation I've been having for 20 years, you seems to be repeating arguments from the 1960s.

 

[zubrycky]

Jazz is no longer the mainstream music.

Is jazz dead or dying?

 

[Grinderman]

Any Grateful Dead fans here?

 

[Grinderman]

Jazz is no longer the mainstream music. Is jazz dead or dying?

Combined, it's probably at least 20% the fault of James Chance, John Zorn and John Lurie.

 

[Grinderman]

Who's thirsty?



Don't drink the salt water.

 

[E2942]

Put on Iggy's American Caesar album, it's a masterpiece!

 

[Bass Jones]

Over 24 hours and only 27 pages???!!! C'mon let's really get this thing going...

Slayer, Metallica or Megadeth, who's better??

 

[Grinderman]

It's punk enough for me.

This is one is for all the wives out there looking for good live music to see.

 

[FryFunk]

Jazz is no longer the mainstream music. Is jazz dead or dying?

It's in the middle, it had a similar advantage to classical, where it is still popular among universities etc.

It's the advantage rock simply lacks.

There's no reason for the education system to cultivate rock.

Anecdotal experience, but when I was 18 many of the kids studying music were only doing Jazz/Classical because that's what universities offered. My wife teaches at a university and that trend seems to be reversing where kids are actually preferring classical/jazz, and are often relatively ignorant about rock.

20 years ago, rock bands might occasionally include a rendition of some jazz song in their set list.

In 20 years the least shocking thing possible would be that Jazz bands will occasionally include rock songs in their set lists.

This is where I focus in on the popularity of written original music. To me it defines whether or not something is a living genre.

One of the surprising things at my wifes schools was a trend of younger conductors etc introducing more modern classical songs. It made the older folk squirm but you could see the young eyes light up.

Rock cannot survive if musicianship /aesthetic isn't at the forefront.

My anecdotal exposure to music in recent years has been djent/jazz/classical, non djent rock is more or less limited to nostalgia trips.

Musicianship is top of the list concern for people who listen to music with actual musicians.

The only exception is Country, which is my estimation is replacing rock. The musicianship is there, and it's song that any class/gender/whatever can gravitate to you.

 

[Grinderman]

Over 24 hours and only 27 pages???!!! C'mon let's really get this thing going...

Slayer, Metallica or Megadeth, who's better??

Garage Days Revisited EP, baked in my buddy's Skylark, going to the dunes on Lake Michigan, in the summer in the '80s is a fond memory. We did burnouts on Tipper Gore's lawn.

But anyway, Slayer is the seminal band of those three, so there's that.

 

[Grinderman]

BTW, I dig your "Lucky" Scott avatar.

 

[Grinderman]

It was thanks to this movie and this scene I learned about The Monks and connected the dots to The Fall's covers of The Monks.