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Well... I guess I'm calling it quits.

Like others said, breaking up with a girlfriend vs a wife is different thing. Aside from the emotional aspect, there's also the legal and practical aspects as well. And if there are kids, the stakes are raised considerable.

I'm a guy who for whom music is a very big part of his life. Much of my time and energy is put towards it. But I remember what an old and healthy musician said to me, "There are some things that music isn't meant to give you". Music does alot for me, but it cannot do everything for me, especially as I get older. What if I lost my hearing? What if I had arthritis so bad, I couldn't play? Can music take care of me when I am old? Can music fulfill all my emotional and practical needs?
Sometimes the saddest and most frustrated musicians are those that seek from music something that it cannot provide.

Wives and girlfriends are one thing, children are another. And sometimes the best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother/father.
Like I said, my view won't be agreed by everyone. And, no, music won't take care of me when I go deaf, arthritic or just plain old. My point was more about the fact that neither you nor anyone else here knows that they're going to have a wife/partner who will do that for them, either.

I guess what I was saying is none of us knows how permanent our relationships will be, with wives or kids or anyone else for that matter. Anyone who thinks their partner is forever needs to realise that the world is full of single people who once believed just the same thing and now know they were mistaken. I'm in that category at the age of 49. But my love of music will be with me always. How could it not be?

For me, music is way more important, and permanent, than any partner I ever had. For some people reading this, that may not be the way they feel right now, as I said. But it could be the way you feel in the future, maybe. Let's hope all us righteous bassists get what we wish for in this respect.
 
One thing I'd like to point out is that there is a difference in giving up music vs giving up a band. You can still make music without a band, or you can be in a more suitable band. Most of the time, it's not an all-or-nothing situation.

For me, I can't see my wife ever making me give up music, or me allowing that to happen. But, I can see her asking me to give up a certain pursuit based on time, energy, family resources, etc. And in that regard, I have to take her consideration into that.
 
Is it me or is it just your tone that makes her come across as jealous that you have something you enjoy?

I've suspected that was my issue for a long time. My ex had dreams to be a musician herself, but she didn't have the wherewithal to stick with it and actually get good. When I would for example demonstrate my talents by picking up her old cello and very quickly learning the layout of the fretboard, she would respond with derision and snide comments about how she hated that about me.

It became a non-stop stream of ankle-biting criticism. My voice was too nasal. My songs too combative. Nothing I did was worthy of her approval, let alone support.

There was so much more to it than that, but I think my first marriage was doomed the moment I bluntly asked my wife if she hated my singing voice (after MULTIPLE hints about it). She basically said yes.

I don't know about anyone else on this thread, but that is a terrible thing to say to someone you love. It has to be calculated like that, to be as cruel and hurtful as possible. If I were an out-of-tune crooner or had a horrible shrieking voice I may have had an easier time understanding her position, but for her it was just because, really. Because I could do it and she couldn't. Jealousy and envy are mean things.
 
My own take on this, which won't work for everyone - me and my girl broke up. Me and my music could never break up. Guess which is more important to me.

I'm not being romantic about the music here, just realistic. Relationships with a partner, for many of us, come and go. There's nothing wrong with that and the fact that a relationship turns out not to be eternal doesn't ever mean that it was a waste of time. But when relationships with others falter or fail, you're still an individual. And part of that individual is the music you make. Sometimes I have a "life partner" and sometimes I don't (rinse and repeat as often as necessary). But I will always have my music. Just sayin'.

Short version - in the long term, your music is more important than your wife.

Like I said, my view won't be agreed by everyone. And, no, music won't take care of me when I go deaf, arthritic or just plain old. My point was more about the fact that neither you nor anyone else here knows that they're going to have a wife/partner who will do that for them, either.

I guess what I was saying is none of us knows how permanent our relationships will be, with wives or kids or anyone else for that matter. Anyone who thinks their partner is forever needs to realise that the world is full of single people who once believed just the same thing and now know they were mistaken. I'm in that category at the age of 49. But my love of music will be with me always. How could it not be?

For me, music is way more important, and permanent, than any partner I ever had. For some people reading this, that may not be the way they feel right now, as I said. But it could be the way you feel in the future, maybe. Let's hope all us righteous bassists get what we wish for in this respect.

+ infinity, Bill, I am in a similar situation (as a quick aside - I can correlate directly the times I've been in a serious (live-in) relationship with the times I've hardly played any music)

It is absolutely the truth that none of us knows how long a relationship might last. Even if emotionally and mentally it's all good there is no guarantee of physical health.

I remain open to the possibility of another serious relationship. But, I will never give up my love of playing music for the sake of that.

edit: one of those relationships was a marriage with kids. It ended because she "joined the other team".... you just never know - none of us, never give up your music....
 
What the OP is dealing with in his wife is called "co-dependency". That's the psych. term for his wife's problem. It is not just the music/band problem. It goes much farther than that. I would venture to guess that all of her time is her time and all of his time is hers too. If he has to work an hour or two overtime he gets a face full when he gets home even if he did call her. If he practices bass for "too long" he gets a face full. If it takess to long to mow the lawn he gets a face full. It doesn't matter what it is. If he is more absorbed into anything else but her he turns into an a**hole in her mind. The whole world rotates around her. This will also include the children and will have a deep impact on them also. YOU MUST GET COUNSELING!! If you don't your marriage will dissolve, you will hate each other forever and your children will suffer dearly.

I know because I went through it.
 
+ infinity, Bill, I am in a similar situation (as a quick aside - I can correlate directly the times I've been in a serious (live-in) relationship with the times I've hardly played any music)

It is absolutely the truth that none of us knows how long a relationship might last. Even if emotionally and mentally it's all good there is no guarantee of physical health.

I remain open to the possibility of another serious relationship. But, I will never give up my love of playing music for the sake of that.

edit: one of those relationships was a marriage with kids. It ended because she "joined the other team".... you just never know - none of us, never give up your music....
Exactly. Any relationship - with your wife, even with your kids - can evaporate like it never even existed. Many people have had this experience. Anyone who thinks different just hasn't had this happen to them yet.

Music on the other hand, doesn't do that.
 
When my son was young I gave up playing in bands for a while. I still played and wrote songs around the house while I was “Mr Mom” during my son’s first 5 years until he started school.

It was not the end of the world. I came back a better player and I had the knowledge that I did everything I could to satisfy my co-dependent wife and try to save my marriage.

The music was not the issue, she was unhappy and putting it on me. She was in denial and did not want counseling, and eventually the marriage came to an end. Point being that I feel like I gave it my best shot and have no regrets. My kid agrees.


Not sure if that is any help, if I was going to offer advice, I would suggest you get into counseling if things get real bad and break the co-dependent behavior before it breaks up your family.
 
To put it another way, for those who are devoted to their wife and kids - just wait until the day (it may come) when you never see her or them at all, ever. And then tell us how long it is before you think about picking your bass up and joining a band again.

Like I said, music >>>> wife. In some situations. People who think family ties are the most important things in their life might be overestimating their permanence.
 
Exactly. Any relationship - with your wife, even with your kids - can evaporate like it never even existed. Many people have had this experience. Anyone who thinks different just hasn't had this happen to them yet.

Music on the other hand, doesn't do that.

Music is a safe choice. Just like a dog. A dog will truly love you unconditionally when you take care of it. But I don't see a pack of dogs as a proper substitute for a wife and kids.
 
Personality disorder and/or co-dependency. Those kind of conflicting, paradoxical demands and tantrums are so bad for the kids. She's perpetuating a cycle that might go back generations.

Take it from a kid whose mother has been paradoxical and angry as long as he can remember. :p

That kind of situation definitely sucks, not just for you but for kids as well. For now they'll just wonder why mother is angry and it'll dampen the mood. (just my personal experience as kid)
As they get older, they'll feel the same way you do.


I can't offer you any advice as I personally am not married (and probably shouldn't be at my age. :ninja:) and all that crap, but I can give a bit of a viewpoint from somebody who experienced it as a kid.
 
Good luck.

All I can tell you is you are living my life about two years ago. It's not you buddy, it's her. If this sounds familiar, let me know:

When you tell her you've scheduled a practice, she says OK. No matter how many times you remind her that you have scheduled practice, she still says OK and plays it cool until about 30 minutes before you plan to leave, when she is reminded of - or invents - some emergency that she needs you to take care of right now. Melts down in a similar fashion you described in the OP. You become a bad father/ husband if you don't stop what you are doing and act on her impulse right there.

When you try to justify your personal stuff (music, golf, whatever), she accuses you of not being there as a father and a husband;
when you counter with specific examples, she sarcastically congratulates you for 'being a dad' or mocks how hard it was for you to do those things as a dad, either way minimizing your contributions to the family.

When you explain yourself, she grabs onto one word or sentence, twists your words around so they mean something you never said and clings to that twisted version of your words as that is the only thing you've said.

If you admit you can improve upon part of your personality, she reminds you of it constantly. If you feel good about yourself in your role as a husband/ father she reminds you of your 'flaw'.

She doesn't admit to personality flaws in herself, except as they relate to handling others' personality flaws (i.e. she lets you walk all over her. It is her flaw, while simultaneously being your flaw).

There is more, but they all are similar to the contradictions listed above.

If this all sounds familiar, you need to recognize that when you cross the threshold from logical conversation to the madness above, nothing you say will hold any weight or mean anything to her. This is why I say don't participate in those conversations. It doesn't matter if you're right if she never hears the words you say. Fighting insanity with logic is a tough battle and you'll lose unless you call out the insanity first and put it aside.

You also need to recognize that you are not THE problem, as she would have you believe. My first step was recognizing that I know I love my kids, my wife, and that I am supporting them to the best of my ability. As long as I continue to make that my first priority I don't need to listen to her try to tear me down. I carry that knowledge with me now no matter what. Do not let your wife shake that confidence, but you must continue to act in a way that makes the knowledge truth.

If you can get counseling that is great, but be prepared for her to notice how your counselor tells the both of you how the husband is always wrong. She may also note how you need the counseling and she has her junk together. Hopefully that wont happen, but that is what happened to me. I did get solo counseling, and it helped me to figure out myself as well as her. I do recommend counseling as a way to work through your issues, but not as a way to deal with hers (except to understand them better, for yourself). Only she can seek counseling for herself.

With a strong confidence in your abilities as a father and husband, it becomes much easier to stand up to your wife and just say no to ridiculous requests. Like I said, my sanity hasn't been this good in years.

Good luck.
 
Exactly. Any relationship - with your wife, even with your kids - can evaporate like it never even existed. Many people have had this experience. Anyone who thinks different just hasn't had this happen to them yet.

Music on the other hand, doesn't do that.

It can evaporate, sure. But like it never happened? I doubt it. There's enough bitterness and emotional baggage being thrown around on this thread that it's obvious that people aren't acting like it never happened. If it never happened, you'd quickly forget about it and be completely intact from it. IMO, divorce or the ending of any long or deep relationship is like an amputation. A part of you is lost, even if it is for the best.

Like I said, music >>>> wife. In some situations. People who think family ties are the most important things in their life might be overestimating their permanence

The impermance of family, IMO is a very Western thing. I come from a culture where family ties are viewed as permanent, and much of your identity comes from your family ties. Family isn't just about feeling good, or a place where you voluntarily stay as long as it feels good to you. Family is a place of love, but it's also a place of duty. Duty is what gets you by when you're out of love. And luckily, sometimes duty will get you by until you have the love again.

YMMV