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Who played in Kenny G live?

I don't mean to take sides here.....but how can a guitar player (PM) comment on how good or bad a sax player is? Has Pat ever played the sax? What the heck does he know about playing a horn? Nothing! I'm not thrilled what Kenny G did to the Louie Armstrong either.....but to say he's a horrible sax player is silly. And yes, I played Eb alto in marching band for years. I played sax from 2nd grade thru 2nd year of college......and I would not criticize Kenny G as a musician. Maybe some of us are jealous of the records KG has sold, and the money he's made.

Vail Johnson is a big reason I own the Kenny G live CD.


I'm a sax player who happened to choose bass over the horn. Still, players like David Sanborn, Grover Washington, etc. etc. are amazing.

What's next......we hate AWB because they had horns & we're funky? LOL
 
Good taste is very subjective, one mans gourmet is another's worst nightmare.

In that link Pat Metheney proved to be very elitist, i've never liked his music, i've always recognized him as a great guitarist but after reading that now i understand why he's not a "star".
He needs to be a little less egocentric IMO.
 
Well, the first thing that has to happen is that you have to WANT to be in Kenny's band.:D Nothing wrong with that.

There are a lot of important considerations beyond playing bass to consider.

Going on the road in any band situation has allot of considerations. Sometimes the best player is not hired because he or she cannot get along with their road roommate, band, etc. It doesn't matter if you're playing with the Beatles or Kenny G.

Some of us couldn't handle the physical part of being on the road. I think allot of us take things for granted. It ain't as easy as it seems.
 
Well, the first thing that has to happen is that you have to WANT to be in Kenny's band.:D Nothing wrong with that.

There are a lot of important considerations beyond playing bass to consider.
Like what? Having free range on stage? Traveling first class? Staying in cushy hotels? Get your own solo spot nightly? Play with first class musicians? Get paid a really nice salary to have a blast night after night? Play ballads, latin, pop & funk music (a nice mix)? Go out into the crowd and actually interact with your fans and they love you back? Be a part of giving away a signature sax worth at least $3-4k?

Nah! Not the kind of gig I'd want!! :rollno:
 
Well, the first thing that has to happen is that you have to WANT to be in Kenny's band.:D Nothing wrong with that.

There are a lot of important considerations beyond playing bass to consider.

So as a working musician how many of you would turn down a gig in KG's band TODAY if it was offered because you think he sucks? Every interview I've read on cats like John Pattitucci, Nathan East, Marcus Miller all stated that a gig is a gig. You lay it down and collect your check.

For the record I would be a "Songbird" playing mofo... and loving it! :D
 
Like what? Having free range on stage? Traveling first class? Staying in cushy hotels? Get your own solo spot nightly? Play with first class musicians? Get paid a really nice salary to have blast night after night? Play ballads, latin, funk music (a nice mix)? Go out into the crowd and actually interact with your fans and they love you back? Be a part of giving away a signature sax worth at least $3-4k?

Nah! Not the kind of gig I'd want!! :rollno:

Nah, I just want the brown M & M's out of my backstage bowel of M & M's. Call me old school VAN HALEN! :D
 
I had no idea that Metheny screed was still making the rounds. And I've never seen Kenny G live nor owned any of his albums, but I've heard some of his work over the years. And having been a pro 'bone player, I have some sense of how his thing stacks up against the traditional standards for jazz saxophony.

So, for the record:

Never heard him playing out of tune.

His basic sound seems full and vibrant, but that is increasingly hard to judge based on recordings that may have been altered -- for better OR for worse -- by some producer with a digital paintbrush.

He has good air control - I also understand he can circular-breathe, which is not easy, although those who can do it often use it as a parlour trick at the end of some song in a manner that is artistically questionable, like some number of singers you've seen over the years who court applause with the long note. But hey, I guess it's like the story about why dogs lick their private parts.

He's clearly spent time absorbing the jazz repertoire and the pop-funk thing as well.

And he's found a way to make a pile of change playing instrumental music on an instrument that is not a guitar/keyboard/drum. Way more change than most others that have explored the smooth jazz area, and way more still than those who have dedicated themselves to "Jazz." Let's never underestimate the extent to which jealousy of commercial success can fuel the dissing of someone's musicianship.

So let's get past the cheap criticism concerning his chops or musicianship.

However, what we may have here is the example of someone making some regrettable artistic/esthetic choices, and being boxed in by those choices.

Everytime I hear him, I hear excellent execution of material that has zero soul.

Yes, he can shade his tone, vary his attack and vibrato, and do things that seem colorful.

But I NEVER hear anything that feels "true" in the sense of spontaneous inspiration or probing to challenge himself or his audience. I feel like I'm getting music by the numbers; skillful, stylish execution tracking a tight formula that will not admit of deviation. To stick with the formula he has to perform at a pretty high level, but he has no freedom to vary from the formula, and boredom therefore quickly sets in.

Perhaps that's what you have to do to please the smooth jazz crowd, as my sense of that scene is that folks appreciate a little sophistication but don't want to be challenged but so much, and certainly don't want to hear sounds dissonant with the quaffing of white wine, dressing very well and plugging into a certain sort of lifestyle/image. So you get tasteful funky riffs, nicely executed while nobody breaks a real sweat, but you NEVER get the real funk that comes from people deeply working a groove, or the spark of excitement that results when players take that groove to a whole other level.

I'd think that if you live smooth jazz as a player, and you live there exclusively, you have to start wondering about your relationship to music and the cosmos. If you think music is a vehicle for ongoing exploration of your feelings, and for trying to express and share those feelings with others, then you can't or won't let yourself get stuck in that smooth jazz rut, because it seems that the smooth thing is largely about presenting music that is the sonic equivalent of a whole lot of yuppies at a networking party - everyone wants to look good, to make a good impression and to make a lot of connections, but ain't nothing interesting gonna happen while everyone is in that mode.

My question - when Kenny G is alone at night in his Malibu crib, does he take the horn out, and if so, what does he play?

If he uses the time to howl at the moon and express himself in a deeper and more profound way (for calibration, let's talk Wayne Shorter, who can imply a lifetime of rich experience with just a few notes on Soprano), then it's sad that we don't hear what the G-man has to offer to the world in that way, but at least he's doing it.

If he takes the horn out, only to reprise/refine his commercial riffs, that's even sadder still. 'Cuz that would suggest that the entire emotional life of Kenny G goes no deeper than the smooth jazz formula.

My gut tells me there is more to the man than the formula will reveal, but apparently we'll never know it from his recorded work.

Pretty sad, when you think about it.

But then, he needs your or my validation like a hole in the head.
 
I saw Kenny G almost 20 years ago and they really threw down in concert, a couple years later I saw the late George Howard in Oakland and his band also just flat out smoked*, like Kenny G, George Howard CDs really were no where close to how great the band sounded live, too much programing for my taste. I would never be able to tell people how much better George Howard was live than he sounded on CD, there was no comparison.


* Howard's bassist was Sam Sims, I always thought I would hear more about him than I ever did. The show I saw was Sims first gig with the band, and he just killed it!!!
 
Like what? Having free range on stage? Traveling first class? Staying in cushy hotels? Get your own solo spot nightly? Play with first class musicians? Get paid a really nice salary to have a blast night after night? Play ballads, latin, pop & funk music (a nice mix)? Go out into the crowd and actually interact with your fans and they love you back? Be a part of giving away a signature sax worth at least $3-4k?

Nah! Not the kind of gig I'd want!! :rollno:

All of these things are good for sure, if the situation is what you desire more than anything else.

You sound like you are still high from pressing the flesh with vail-bass himself!:D