Originally posted by MJ5150
Brad.....let me get this straight....if I disagree with someones lifestyle, I am judging them? That is complete BS. I guess if we continue using your logic, no one is allowed to have different opinions, or disagree with anyone. We all must agree all the time. Otherwise we would be a judgmental bigot?
Hey, I'm calling it like I'm reading it. Is this or is this not a judgement:
" My moral guidelines tell me it is improper."
Sounds like a judgement to me. Still say it's BS? Heck, I'm making a judgement based on what you've said so far... the difference is I'm not going to pretend it's not what it is... a judgement
And you obviously can't continue using my logic, you don't seem to get what I'm saying.
I understand better what you mean about social groups I associate with. There are ZERO social groups I avoid because I feel they are "wrong". Since we are talking primarily about homosexual/heterosexual, I will continue on that subject. I walk into a room, and see one man identify himself as "gay", and another identify himself as "straight". I am initially drawn to the "straight" person since there is more POTENTIAL of us having more things in common. Would I rule out the "gay" person as a friend? No, I would not. But the chances of me having more in common with the "straight" guy are higher. Just like if I walk into a room with my wife and kids, and see one couple with kids, and a couple with no kids. We are drawn to the couple whom we would naturally have more in common with, the ones with kids. The same is true the other way around. Childless couples naturally tend to associate with other childless couples. Are these folks ignorant, closet bigots? Hardly. Having kids is a definite lifestyle choice. I chose to have kids, some don't. I certainly do NOT condemn anyone who remains childless.
Sadly enough, snap judgements like these IMO keep the world from being a better place.
Why on Earth would you automatically think you'd have more in common with either man? That makes as much sense as me walking into a room and thinking I'll have more in common with someone of my race. That's just plain small-minded. People who do this tend to be pretty narrow-minded and this does nothing to remedy that situation IME.
Talk to people, meet INDIVIDUALS, that's what it SHOULD be about. You'll never understand the other side by working in a box. And I said understand, not relish, promote, admire, whatever.
As silly as the scenario of two men id'ing themselves by sexuality when you walk into a room is, let's run with it. You of course may be different but as far as myself the only thing I know I don't have in common with the gay man is sexuality. If that gay man were a musician and the straight one was a cokehead accountant, still think you'd have more in common? I wouldn't.
The couples thing is no less weak. Because a couple has their kids with them you'd be drawn to them? How do you know the other couple wouldn't be more interesting? By your logic you'd never know because again you're too wrapped up in stereotypes to deal with actual human beings. Your loss.
How do you know the other couple's kids weren't somewhere else? Oh, that's right, talking to them would've drawn that info out and you're tied up with your preferred, "obvious" choice.
My wife and I associate with people and call me crazy but it never occurred to me to only gravitate to people just like us. I guess we're just more outgoing and interested in diversity. It's not like kids are the only thing we can talk about
DavyO....Could you direct me to the evidence please? I have been unable to find it. Are you simply repeating things you have heard, or do you know where to find this?
C'mon, is there any evidence that you'd actually accept?
Seriously.
"Not associating yourself with others is discrimination"..................***? Explain please.
-Mike
If you're basing it on a pre-conceived stereotypical notion, what would you call it?
