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Why does mordern pop music suck?

"The Girl From Ipanema": a very well-written song with a melody and chord progression that are anything but dumbed down. I'd love to hear something remotely as complex on top 40 radio today.

You're right, that's an accurate comment, and I could have found a better example. I only meant to illustrate that in '64, when the Beatles exploded in the US and ushered in the British Invasion and the dominance of rock music culturally, there was still a lot of non-rock around and plenty of that was dreck. I should not have picked on Girl From Ipanema, which is a classic and deservedly so.
 
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I'm often subjected to modern pop music but it's of the hip hop variety. This type of "Hip Pop" has rappers who think they can sing. It's very bad and whiny and when they do rap, there's no balls or aggression. I'm not a fan of Hip Hop but if I have to listen to it, I'd rather hear some strength and power in the music. I realize that could be worthless criticism because maybe these "Hip Pop" guys aren't supposed to be angry.

Anyway as terrible as this stuff is, it doesn't sound like unfinished demos to me. Even if the rappers are bad singers, they don't sound off key or off beat to me. I think that Drake guy is one of the people my kids listen to. I don't know. Maybe since I'm always trying to tune that music out, I don't notice all the mistakes in it.

Not all of it does sound like unfinished demos, but a huge amount of stuff feels completely phoned-in, which is my main gripe with modern pop music. Drake isn't really that bad, just on that particular song he's straight up not on beat. I also really like rap, though, so I'm biased.

There's also a lot of rap that's just really, really bad, but the decline in quality of mainstream rap music is perhaps a topic for another thread (for example, despite the two songs both being about having tons of money, guns, and women, even a casual listener will hear a vast difference in skill between Tupac and Snoop Dogg's "2 of Amerika'z Most Wanted" and Lil Pump's "Gucci Gang").
 
I also studied art and architecture at a major university and I agree with Paul Joseph Watson ...

So we will have to agree to disagree. I am willing to tolerate opinions that are different than mine. Are you?

Also remember whoever uses the word nazi first always loses the argument ... And according to history the nazi party meant National Socialist Party ... and Paul is not a socialist and he is not ignorant and his IQ level is way above the idiot level, and he is not selling any snake oil ... he is commenting on culture. If you are intent on shutting down his voice simply based on the fact that you disagree with him then it makes you look like the things you accuse him of.

Also I do not require clarification of any kind.

The video I posted simply reinforces the opinion of the original poster. You may not like the politics of the guy in the video ... but it wasn't a political video it was a commentary on flaws in our culture.
I just watched that video on my phone with the halftime show of the Bama-Georgia game on TV. Lines up pretty good, I must say. Guy's right about postmodernism. But hush my mouth - no politics on TB!
 
Commercial music. What concerns me is the message they have in their lirycs. This one talks about young women liking old men because of money. In my book this sucks big time.


Now there's your problem right there - the words. I was a consumer of pop music for the better part of twenty years before it dawned on me that the songs had words. Oh, I was aware of the hooks, but for me it was all about the beat, the bass, the melody, the harmonies and the overall sound. I know other musicians for whom it was the same. Granted, it was hard to make out the words on a tinny car radio speaker. Then eventually rap showed up, where words were central. It was downhill from there.
 
Not all of it does sound like unfinished demos, but a huge amount of stuff feels completely phoned-in, which is my main gripe with modern pop music. Drake isn't really that bad, just on that particular song he's straight up not on beat. I also really like rap, though, so I'm biased.

There's also a lot of rap that's just really, really bad, but the decline in quality of mainstream rap music is perhaps a topic for another thread (for example, despite the two songs both being about having tons of money, guns, and women, even a casual listener will hear a vast difference in skill between Tupac and Snoop Dogg's "2 of Amerika'z Most Wanted" and Lil Pump's "Gucci Gang").

As much as I get you, I have a hard time getting behind Gucci hang, I'll point out that plenty of songs have featured nonsense lyrics. Also, a lot of my favourite songs were more or less unfinished demos, or at least they sounded like it at best. I dunno, sometimes the format comes across as more genuine then those with more polished production going on. Of course, perform to the best of your ability and don't settle, and this is all my own opinion.
 
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As much as I get you, I have a hard time getting behind Gucci hang, I'll point out that plenty of songs have featured nonsense lyrics. Also, a lot of my favourite songs were more or less unfinished demos, or at least they sounded like it at best. I dunno, sometimes the format comes across as more genuine then those with more polished production going on. Of course, perform to the best of your ability and don't settle, and this is all my own opinion.

Oh I agree entirely, I love messy stuff like that. I just don't think multi-million-dollar pop albums should sound incongruously unpolished.
 
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Oh I agree entirely, I love messy stuff like that. I just don't think multi-million-dollar pop albums should sound incongruously unpolished.

That's fair. I think that maybe Lorde's recent-ish success might have influenced this sort of stuff. Her stuff was kind of relatable to a lot of kids, she comparatively minimal with regards to the overall mix. Still well put together though. Also, I don't really listen to this stuff, I just read up on it a little bit every so often - so I could easily be way off

This past year I've kinda not had much time or space for music in general, tbh
 
And then I come around to listening to this and faith is restored



Curtis was paralyzed during the recording, but still sang and oversaw the production. According to Australian radio station Invalid Link Removed, Mayfield recorded his songs by lying on his back, the only way he could get enough air into his lungs, and singing one verse at a time. After every verse for a song had been recorded, they were edited together for the finished, continuous track.

Pop is pop and can do what it wants, there's plenty of good music being made.
 
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Modern Pop Music has always "sucked" ; ) We just remember the best of the best from previous decades. The stuff that wasn't so good gets forgotten. So we end up with a distorted view of how music "was" vs. what it "is".

To be honest, there's so much great music out there being created...and unlike the old days not filtered through just a few channels. Great players, innovative approaches, unique and mind-blowing songwriting, etc. It's hard to imagine a better time to be interested in music.

For example, the NPR Tiny Desk Concerts are amazing. There's such an eclectic blend of creativity from everyone who appears on the channel, from King Krule to Chance the Rapper to the Drive By Truckers...honestly a great time to be alive!
 
Modern Pop Music has always "sucked" ; ) We just remember the best of the best from previous decades. The stuff that wasn't so good gets forgotten. So we end up with a distorted view of how music "was" vs. what it "is".

It's easy to say that it's all relative and we only remember the best stuff, but take an honest look at the quality of what's being put out there. For example, look at the Billboard Hot 100 chart from 1980 versus the same chart from 2010.

Sure, there are plenty of throwaways and one-hit wonders on the 1980 chart, but I can't help but see a stark contrast between the quality (somewhat subjective) and staying-power (more objective) between the artists and bands listed. Even comparing the top 20 names, it don't think anyone over 25 years old would think it's even a contest...
1980:
Blondie
Pink Floyd
Michael Jackson
Queen
Paul McCartney
Billy Joel
Elton John
The Spinners

All still in heavy rotation and loved by people across the globe. Whereas the top 20 for 2010 has only a few artists (very few bands) that will be remembered, much less played, in 30+ years. Maybe Usher, Eminem, and Lady Gaga, and even they will probably not be held in such high regard as the ones I listed for 1980.

I think that's about as apples-to-apples as it can be. Granted, we won't know how the modern artists will age, but my money would undoubtedly be on the older ones.

My pet theory is that the surge in purchasing power of younger teens and tweens is a contributing factor to the degrading quality of popular music. In the 90s, boy bands became huge because parents would give their kids money to buy CDs and pay $100+ for concerts. In the mid 2000s when those age groups got cell phones, so popular music was about creating a hook that would make a good ringtone (Crank Dat Soulja Boy, anyone?), and it kept going down that path where every kid has a smartphone, and hence access to a music store in his/her pocket. As mentioned already in the thread, the industry chases dollars and that's coming from the lowest common denominator.

It's not just the artists themselves. Look at all of the top 20 songs in 2010. Think about who this song is targeted towards. Almost every single one of them is aimed squarely at the young (under 25) female demographic. The top 20 songs and artists from 1980 were much more diverse in their audience and more universal appeal, imo.

Definitely agree that there's plenty of good music out there. Love those NPR Tiny Desk Concerts, and there are a few instances of cream rising through the charts, but overall, I think it's more complicated than to just say that it's all relative and we only remember the good stuff. That said, there are some great, older acts still touring, or going back on tour because people are realizing what great music they make. One thing that would help is for older people to spend money on good music again, so the industry will chase after those dollars more than the aforementioned demographic, and I say that as an old millennial.
 
Hmm. Not all of it is terrible. Pop as a genre(simple accessible music) is doing fine artistically. But pop as a product is suffering in general.
It's the marketing engines, and how music royalties and contracts are structured that has degraded the quality of the art in the pop music machine. The advertising campaigns are generally so valuable that they need to be made "too big to fail" in order to move forward through a big label environment. They need you to like it before you hear it.
If you are a regular musician with some pretty good songs, who wants to make a living in music, you will struggle. I know some great songwriters who mostly play covers at weddings. Bassists and Drummers rarely make royalties from their work, so being the best bassist or drummer you can be and a specialist is kind of a long term dead end financially. A lot of people who could contribute to the quality of music culture move on to more profitable careers. I think the basic problem is that the pop music industry operates from the top down, while pop music culture operates from the bottom up. There is endless punishment at the bottom for musicians and artists, so much of the good material doesn't get developed or heard. The culture deteriorates.
Short answer: Greed
 
I just saw this video and my suspicions were reinforced by it. There is a bit to digest here, but I think the video sums things up quite nicely. One thing I really miss is dynamic range in recordings. Why does every sound have to be in your face?
Anyway, Get Off My Lawn!

Because it's been scientifically proven that everything, especially music, was better when you were 12 years old. Yes you, the person reading this post.
 
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