Why have a low c# string?

[MR PC]

Ok, you are just fundamentally being an ass.
Different strokes for different folks-
Good luck in life.

Well. I doubt you can give an example of a meaningful piece of music that uses the sub contra tones, since your resorting to calling me an ass.

They exist. Try going to a great Cathedral, where there is a great pipe organ with great compositions being played by a master musician. No electricity involved there. Balance of the partials, not distorted electronic synths. Oliver Messian. Bach.

Try listening to "Cantus Articus" by the great Einojuhani Rautavaara. All acoustic music. Rich and beautiful music that isn't composed or played primaraly to prove a science experiment, or sell gear.

Sure different strokes, I can dig that. I have a feeling that the interest here is more about stimulating some booty call than anything serious. It's a phase when someone discovers any kind of physical power to move bodies with.

Peace, goodwill towards men..

 

[kedo]

Bloviating, self-important, pompous blowhard anyone?

 

[JAUQO III-X]

Bloviating, self-important, pompous blowhard anyone?

 

[fnordlyone]

Well. I doubt you can give an example of a meaningful piece of music that uses the sub contra tones, since your resorting to calling me an ass.

They exist. Try going to a great Cathedral, where there is a great pipe organ with great compositions being played by a master musician. No electricity involved there. Balance of the partials, not distorted electronic synths. Oliver Messian. Bach.

Try listening to "Cantus Articus" by the great Einojuhani Rautavaara. All acoustic music. Rich and beautiful music that isn't composed or played primaraly to prove a science experiment, or sell gear.

Sure different strokes, I can dig that. I have a feeling that the interest here is more about stimulating some booty call than anything serious. It's a phase when someone discovers any kind of physical power to move bodies with.

Peace, goodwill towards men..

What's "meaningful" for you? That it is played in cathedrals or that it must not be amplified? If you think that the music samples on this thread are "booty calls," you're even more out of touch than I imagined. Go sit in your cathedral and wait for something meaningful to happen.

 

[BrickBatMansion]

That's a matter of opinion, isn't it? If you don't like it, don't buy it. But I've heard Jauqo's stuff and I like it, and I can hear his low C# just fine, and whether it's harmonics or fundamental I'm hearing is completely and totally moot to me. People tell me I can't play a 5 string in an Ampeg 810 because it doesn't go down to 31hz, and I hear the low B plain as day and it easily sounds different than the B an octave up. Why? I don't care why. All I know is it's there.

Amen. Well said.
I am really surprised at some of the responses to the low
C# thing. Its like some ppl are taking it as a personal insult.
I think its cool, creative, and innovative.

 

[JustForSport]

Good 'phones that reproduce from 5hz thru 30kz will only give a clue as to what can be experienced at 5:45- with this bass:

FYI- "a 16ft organ stop is a 16ft pipe on bottom C giving 32 Hz, 32ft is 16Hz, 64ft is 8Hz, 128ft is 4Hz."
Some things are better experienced 'live' than on computer speakers...

 

[MR PC]

That's funny! By meaningful, I'm saying music that isn't about "WOW! Did you hear that low C# through the lastest XYX ELF super blaster complex crossover 20x system on that custom bass with the latest pickups in the hanger at the NAMM show? And he did it with LIGHT GAUGE strings!

I'm talking about music that has been composed using the sub tones as a tool of expression. Music that had stood the test of time without the need for bro's to back each other up to prove a point. I've mentioned a couple of sources.

 

[kedo]

That's funny! By meaningful, I'm saying music that isn't about "WOW! Did you hear that low C# through the lastest XYX ELF super blaster complex crossover 20x system on that custom bass with the latest pickups in the hanger at the NAMM show? And he did it with LIGHT GAUGE strings!

I'm talking about music that has been composed using the sub tones as a tool of expression. Music that had stood the test of time without the need for bro's to back each other up to prove a point. I've mentioned a couple of sources.

If people want to get off on low C# just let them and stop being so damned judgemental.

Keep in mind that nearly all of the composers whose works have stood the test of time, at one point, had some bros backing them up.

Enough.

 

[knuckle_head]

Well. I doubt you can give an example of a meaningful piece of music that uses the sub contra tones, since your resorting to calling me an ass.

I can - in fact I can provide nine of them; Self Made Believer - Yves Carbonne

Oh, and btw . . . it is good enough for Marcus Miller to throw down on (see track 2).

 

[fnordlyone]

That's funny! By meaningful, I'm saying music that isn't about "WOW! Did you hear that low C# through the lastest XYX ELF super blaster complex crossover 20x system on that custom bass with the latest pickups in the hanger at the NAMM show? And he did it with LIGHT GAUGE strings!

I'm talking about music that has been composed using the sub tones as a tool of expression. Music that had stood the test of time without the need for bro's to back each other up to prove a point. I've mentioned a couple of sources.

I've never heard Jauqo's music until this thread, being a newb, but I can see where you are coming from… I have a healthy disrespect for anything with commercial tie-ins.
Jauqo's music is good (to me), so I give him a pass. Business considerations. Where you see gimmick, I hear music.

fnord!

 

[MR PC]

I can - in fact I can provide nine of them; Self Made Believer - Yves Carbonne

Oh, and btw . . . it is good enough for Marcus Miller to throw down on (see track 2).

That's good to check out! I forgot about the Siesta soundtarck Marcus did with Miles. That prolly has some sub tones in the keyboard tracks. Brilliant!

I've never heard Jauqo's music until this thread, being a newb, but I can see where you are coming from… I have a healthy disrespect for anything with commercial tie-ins.
Jauqo's music is good (to me), so I give him a pass. Business considerations. Where you see gimmick, I hear music.

fnord!

Well, I find it interesting that anybody is laying territorial claim to a frequency they don't really have more a grasp on, other than it's lower than most normal freqs played on a bass guitar, and they know they can get some press by showcasing it. I've listened to a fair share of guys with these extended basses, and frankly I hear more noodling and noise than honest compositional skill. It's Pandora's Box. You might as well get a gig testing ballistics as far as I'm concerned. That being said, some people do enjoy testing ballistics for a living. Different strokes, indeed.

 

[Jensby design]

That's good to check out! I forgot about the Siesta soundtarck Marcus did with Miles. That prolly has some sub tones in the keyboard tracks. Brilliant!




Well, I find it interesting that anybody is laying territorial claim to a frequency they don't really have more a grasp on, other than it's lower than most normal freqs played on a bass guitar, and they know they can get some press by showcasing it. I've listened to a fair share of guys with these extended basses, and frankly I hear more noodling and noise than honest compositional skill. It's Pandora's Box. You might as well get a gig testing ballistics as far as I'm concerned. That being said, some people do enjoy testing ballistics for a living. Different strokes, indeed.

I like subcontrabass and the discussion about it. So how about we all quit trolling before the thread gets locked.

 

[D.A.R.K.]

Well. I doubt you can give an example of a meaningful piece of music that uses the sub contra tones, since your resorting to calling me an ass.

They exist. Try going to a great Cathedral, where there is a great pipe organ with great compositions being played by a master musician. No electricity involved there. Balance of the partials, not distorted electronic synths. Oliver Messian. Bach.

Try listening to "Cantus Articus" by the great Einojuhani Rautavaara. All acoustic music. Rich and beautiful music that isn't composed or played primaraly to prove a science experiment, or sell gear.

Sure different strokes, I can dig that. I have a feeling that the interest here is more about stimulating some booty call than anything serious. It's a phase when someone discovers any kind of physical power to move bodies with.

Peace, goodwill towards men..

Thanks for pointing me to things you think I don't know, feel superior now? I said you were being an ass, I didn't say you were an ass. The choice is yours. You don't have to put down music you won't take the time to attempt to grasp, i'm sorry you choose to do so. I recommend learning about what you are dismissing, so you can speak of it on an educated level. There is an art form here that many people are developing, and it takes the electronic elements you eschew in your statement to make it a reality. The instruments which you reference are the beginning of it, and have everything to do with what is happening in the contemporary material presented.

 

[MR PC]

Ok, you said I was being an ass. Point taken. I don't feel superior to anyone here. Choice? My choice is that I hope you don't talk to someone's face that way, and get cocky on semantic detail after they bust your lip, because *they* think you called them an ass. People like that will bust your lip even harder as your reward.

You still aren't talking about music really imo, You are talking about the development of technology relating to making sub tones louder than they have ever been before. I guess that's new territory, not sure. No new frequency heard in music is being invented though. Maybe that's an art form, getting it loud, I'm trying to figure that out myself. Certainly it's useful in effects for motion picture soundtracks, if you enjoy being pummeled by subs. I remember that intro scene to the Motown flick with Pino Palladino playing a detuned bass. Interesting and very effective, but much more than that little bit and people are going to get sick and leave the show before it's over.

Art? If a con man junkie in NY can convince the world that his gigantic canvas of an unopened soup can is art, then certainly bassists wielding subcontra instruments with mega powerful extended low freq systems can be taken seriously as well. We'll see, it's a big old crazy world!

 

[cnltb]

Id like to know the function of the low c# string, since its below human hearing its possible use baffles me, but i'm sure there's some reason.

For ome it's 'cool' to have something or be 'different'.
My guess is that the low c# falls into that category rather than that of functionality.

 

[xabicho]

Well. I doubt you can give an example of a meaningful piece of music that uses the sub contra tones, since your resorting to calling me an ass.



They exist. Try going to a great Cathedral, where there is a great pipe organ with great compositions being played by a master musician. No electricity involved there. Balance of the partials, not distorted electronic synths. Oliver Messian. Bach.



Try listening to "Cantus Articus" by the great Einojuhani Rautavaara. All acoustic music. Rich and beautiful music that isn't composed or played primaraly to prove a science experiment, or sell gear.



Sure different strokes, I can dig that. I have a feeling that the interest here is more about stimulating some booty call than anything serious. It's a phase when someone discovers any kind of physical power to move bodies with.



Peace, goodwill towards men..

Hey Mr. PC, sorry to correct you but how the air flows to the pipes? Is not an electrical motor moving the air? Maybe I am wrong please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[JimmyM]

Ok, you said I was being an ass. Point taken. I don't feel superior to anyone here. Choice? My choice is that I hope you don't talk to someone's face that way, and get cocky on semantic detail after they bust your lip, because *they* think you called them an ass. People like that will bust your lip even harder as your reward.

You still aren't talking about music really imo, You are talking about the development of technology relating to making sub tones louder than they have ever been before. I guess that's new territory, not sure. No new frequency heard in music is being invented though. Maybe that's an art form, getting it loud, I'm trying to figure that out myself. Certainly it's useful in effects for motion picture soundtracks, if you enjoy being pummeled by subs. I remember that intro scene to the Motown flick with Pino Palladino playing a detuned bass. Interesting and very effective, but much more than that little bit and people are going to get sick and leave the show before it's over.

Art? If a con man junkie in NY can convince the world that his gigantic canvas of an unopened soup can is art, then certainly bassists wielding subcontra instruments with mega powerful extended low freq systems can be taken seriously as well. We'll see, it's a big old crazy world!

Well aren't you Mama's special little angel?

 

[JAUQO III-X]

That's funny! By meaningful, I'm saying music that isn't about "WOW! Did you hear that low C# through the lastest XYX ELF super blaster complex crossover 20x system on that custom bass with the latest pickups in the hanger at the NAMM show? And he did it with LIGHT GAUGE strings!

I'm talking about music that has been composed using the sub tones as a tool of expression. Music that had stood the test of time without the need for bro's to back each other up to prove a point. I've mentioned a couple of sources.

Did I sleep with your wife or something?

For ome it's 'cool' to have something or be 'different'.
My guess is that the low c# falls into that category rather than that of functionality.

Ok.

 

[JAUQO III-X]

This thread shows just how ignorant some people really are and the pettiness in looking to hate just for the sake of hating.

 

[jmverdugo]

Ok, you said I was being an ass. Point taken. I don't feel superior to anyone here. Choice? My choice is that I hope you don't talk to someone's face that way, and get cocky on semantic detail after they bust your lip, because *they* think you called them an ass. People like that will bust your lip even harder as your reward.



You still aren't talking about music really imo, You are talking about the development of technology relating to making sub tones louder than they have ever been before. I guess that's new territory, not sure. No new frequency heard in music is being invented though. Maybe that's an art form, getting it loud, I'm trying to figure that out myself. Certainly it's useful in effects for motion picture soundtracks, if you enjoy being pummeled by subs. I remember that intro scene to the Motown flick with Pino Palladino playing a detuned bass. Interesting and very effective, but much more than that little bit and people are going to get sick and leave the show before it's over.



Art? If a con man junkie in NY can convince the world that his gigantic canvas of an unopened soup can is art, then certainly bassists wielding subcontra instruments with mega powerful extended low freq systems can be taken seriously as well. We'll see, it's a big old crazy world!

Well look at you, the owner of the truth, the oracle of taste, vogue magazine editor itself, spreading wisdom about what should be considered art or not, never mind subjectivity, never mind creativity, walking out of your comfort zone, seeing the bigger picture and new ideas....

Pretty much everything that we do or use nowadays started as some crazy guy developing something new, electric basses? THE HORROR! Did you hear about that guy modifying a guitar and putting mic on it! Oh my lord that is not music, no sir that ain't music... 50 years later is everywhere... Are you using a cellphone, you know that is voodoo doo doo right? I don't mind you don't liking it but jeez, don't make fun or look down to people that do like it, nobody is right or wrong here, If your are mad because somebody else is having more success selling bricks than you selling roses let it be, he is responsible for his success but he isn't responsible for your lack of it. Just saying...