Why is it called "bolt on neck" when they all use...

[MyTomomi]

My first job was a Product Development Engineer for a certain fasteners (screw,bolt,etc) manufacturing company. My main job on that company was to design bolts/screws according to the needed specs by customers.

My simple definition of both are:
Bolts are flat tip.
Screws are pointed tip.

I agree with the OP but "Bolt On Neck" just sounds nicer.

 

[Drgonzonm]

You might be surprised to know that different countries have different arrangements.

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Yes, I know, It is my understanding, In Canada, if you graduated from a recognized university, all you have to take is an ethics exam to obtain the PE, and you get the right to wear an iron ring on one of your fingers. In the USA, Professional Engineers are licensed by the state and not by the Federal Government. Another thing, different states have different requirements, recognizing some engineering specialties, while not accepting others.
The Institute I attended, (yes, you can make institutionalized jokes all you want, because I do, I lived on campus, so I must have been institutionalized), Had a lot of foreign students, studying engineering. The school even issued some enginering degrees,
Cb, to B or not to B.

 

[Old Garage-Bander]

I can tell you as a mechanical engineer with more than 30 years professional experience that there is no standard terminology or standard way to distinguish between "bolt" and "screw".

Of course there are wood screws, pointy with a slotted or Phillips head, and everyone calls those "screws". But pretty soon after that it gets weird.

Lag bolts are nothing more than big wood screws with a hex head, but they are called "bolts" - although I have also heard "lag screws".

For fasteners with machine threads, some people define "machine screws" as the smaller ones and "bolts" as the larger ones.

Some people claim that if it goes into a nut it's a bolt and if it goes into a female thread in another component it's a screw, but in that case what is it when it's lying on the workbench? Are you going to seriously tell me that in a bag of 50 pieces, 27 of them are bolts because I'm going to put them into nuts and 15 of them are screws because I'm going to screw them into other components, and the other 8 pieces don't have an identity till I attach them to whatever I end up attaching them to? What about cylinder head bolts for your car, which definitely do not screw into a nut, but which everyone calls cylinder head bolts?

"Socket head cap screws" - i.e., with a head for an Allen wrench - are generally called "SHCS" at all sizes and positions. But put a hex head on it and some authorities call it a bolt and others call it a screw.

If you are talking about putting a threaded fastener into wood, "screw" tends to imply a wood screw i.e. the female threads are formed directly in the wood, and "bolt" would to me imply either that you are putting a nut on the far side, or that there is a metal insert with machine threads. But, see all the above.

All of the above only applies in the US. I have no idea about the other English-speaking nations, nor about other languages.

Heaven preserve us.

And "wood screws" aren't made out of wood. (In most cases anyway.)
And what is the best Metal for a wood screw?

 

[Drgonzonm]

And "wood screws" aren't made out of wood. (In most cases anyway.)
And what is the best Metal for a wood screw?

My wood broom handle had RH threads,

Brazilian Iron Wood

 

[StatesideRambler]

Finally, we have a semi-expert.
Are registered (only 15% of all graduating engineers achieve this status). or did you pass the EIT or FE? (Many schools require that the test is taken, but not passed). If not IMO your not being civil (pun intended).

Your belittling of the poster you quoted is uncalled for and is uncivil. The fact that Registered Professional Engineers (PE) are a relatively small portion of degreed engineers says a lot more about that certification than it does about the people who do/don't have that license. Registration is entirely unnecessary in the overwhelming majority of engineering positions. Besides, more than half of those who do earn a PE registration (license) neither need it nor use it. It looks good on a resume and a business card, though. It impresses some people out of proportion to its importance.

 

[turf3]

Your belittling of the poster you quoted is uncalled for and is uncivil. The fact that Registered Professional Engineers (PE) are a relatively small portion of degreed engineers says a lot more about that certification than it does about the people who do/don't have that license. Registration is entirely unnecessary in the overwhelming majority of engineering positions. Besides, more than half of those who do earn a PE registration (license) neither need it nor use it. It looks good on a resume and a business card, though. It impresses some people out of proportion to its importance.

I didn't feel belittled. No, I do not have the PE, because I have worked my entire career f or corporations in the field of designing products and processes for mass production of commercial products. In this environment PE licensing is not required and is in fact quite uncommon as one of the requirements of the PE license is recommendations from other PEs who are familiar with your professional work.. If you never work for a PE because they are rare in your industry, then you can't get the recommendations, and you become another non-licensed engineer.

I am just as much of an engineer as is a civil engineer with a PE license. However, I'm not qualified to design a bridge, just as the CE with a PE license probably isn't qualified to design the products I design. Neither am I authorized to sign off on certain types of construction works where public safety and/or structural soundness are required. (The items of engineering practice which must be signed off on by a licensed engineer, versus those where this is not required, are easily found with a bit of research, but in general it boils down to what I've said above.)

 

[jamro217]

Tug bar. Finger rest. One thing, that is called by two different names depending on the application.

Proves my position on screw/bolt terminology.

Amiright?

Sort of. Using this line of reasoning, why is the pickguard only called a "pickguard" and not a "fingerguard" or "thumbguard" as well?

 

[Hoochie Coochie Man]

After careful consideration of all the posts in this thread and with consideration of the etymological impact of my actions, I have decided that from now on, I will refer to my P bass as an accordion.

Edit: Or bass fiddle, or maybe profundo violino, or big-ass banjo.

 

[longfinger]

Should we organize a benefit concert to raise awareness of this issue?

 

[Honch]

Things that don't bother me:

bolt on instead of screw on
tremolo instead of vibrato
input jack instead of output jack
Squire instead of Squier
valve instead of tube
tube instead of valve

I'm sure there are others. When a technical term is not commonly used and I see it being misused I generally try to defend the proper use. When a technical term has been misused for so long that the misuse has become the new norm I generally let it slide. New habits can be broken, old ones probably not. Bolt on conveys the essence of the thing with a degree of clarity that is sufficient for all practical uses.

Oh dear, would love to see if you don't bother playing in any Scandinavian/German band and asks you to play a B on bass... where B is H and a flat B (flat H or Bb in anglo countries) is called b. Let's see if you couldn't care less. And when that band consists of old school people, as well as youngsters. It would be fun... you'd be stumped as well, and wonder what the eff it's all about. One thing's for sure, I wouldn't like to hear it.

Yeah, why not care if it's inches or millimeters, kilos or pounds... ?

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Just give a hoot, about what anything's called. Nothing sinister will happen.

 

[Honch]

Should we organize a benefit concert to raise awareness of this issue?

Yeah, like the hurricanes! It's called HURRICANE if it's in the Atlantic, a CYCLONE if it occurs in Indian Ocean, and a TYPHOON if it's origin stems from Pacific.
I just call it "stormy as hell!". Astronauts are called Cosmonauts, and Taikonauts depending on country's origin. Up there there's no land borders anyway.

 

[Honch]

Saddle and nut, nut or saddle, bridge saddle nut saddle. Tuner? Well, tuners are physical posts that you can turn on. Tuner as a pedal or a device? I don't know anyone that tunes it up for you, it's only for LOOKING INTO WHETHER YOU'RE IN TUNE OR NOT. A measuring equipment. The actual SCREWING (not bolting) the tuners around, you have to carry out for yourself.

There's so much misnomers in the guitar world. A guitar with a bridge and string holder in one place is called bridge and so on. To me "saddle" is ALWAYS up at the NUT. Not on bridge. Bridge is bridge to me. In Sweden they say "undersaddle" and "oversaddle" when distinguishing between the saddle at the top of the guitar, and the ones up on the neck. Especially on acoustics. But on violins there's no such thing. Clear cut betwen bridge and saddle.

 

[Honch]

So a quiz... bolt on, screw-on, or set or glued neck on this one?

I'd say this is a pass thru neck..

and... just a neck... really, neither bolt, screw, set, tenon, yada yada...just neck...or body, choose whatever:

 

[Honch]

That Teuffel Birdfish guitar, everything is bolt on, even the "body"...

 

[Brad Johnson]

Why is it called "bolt on neck" when all these types of builds have screws?

http://www.dailycivil.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/bolt-vs-screw.jpg1_.jpg1_.jpg

C'mon people. We know the difference between screws and bolts that require nuts to fasten. Anyone want to take part in the new social movement to call these instruments "screw on necks"?

Rallies? Marches?

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

 

[StatesideRambler]

There's so much misnomers in the guitar world. A guitar with a bridge and string holder in one place is called bridge and so on. To me "saddle" is ALWAYS up at the NUT. Not on bridge. Bridge is bridge to me. In Sweden they say "undersaddle" and "oversaddle" when distinguishing between the saddle at the top of the guitar, and the ones up on the neck. Especially on acoustics. But on violins there's no such thing. Clear cut betwen bridge and saddle.

The confusion in terminology is entirely among those who don't take time to learn the [correct] definitions of standard terms.

 

[Drgonzonm]

Your belittling of the poster you quoted is uncalled for and is uncivil. The fact that Registered Professional Engineers (PE) are a relatively small portion of degreed engineers says a lot more about that certification than it does about the people who do/don't have that license. Registration is entirely unnecessary in the overwhelming majority of engineering positions. Besides, more than half of those who do earn a PE registration (license) neither need it nor use it. It looks good on a resume and a business card, though. It impresses some people out of proportion to its importance.

Belittiling, No, play of words, He's a mechanical engineer, and not a "civil", therefore he is not civil. By the way I am a barbarian of an engineer, because, I did not study civil engineering. Am I uncivil, yes, I can live with that title.
Registering as an Engineer is a declaration that the individual has a minimal skill set, nothing more.
Registration is unnecessary in the overwhelming..... positions, true, but the extra money that companies pays is nice. Check your companies benefits plan. (The extra money will be needed for professional development hours).
I believe in order to obtain a PE, it now 4 years out of school, A BS or B Tech and 30 semester hrs of additional training. almost a masters, but not quite. To me, get the Bachelors, pass the EIT, while in college, (it reviews the first three years of school), Get the Masters, then the PE.

 

[Tom Bomb]

This thread has done wonders. I'm done now with all the screwing and bolting. There's gotta be a better way.

It's true. And here it is!

My latest innovation in proper neck fixation, patent pending, utilizes the structural integrity of the silk necktie - specifically the long-tenon silk necktie. We're calling it The Cravasset ®.

The Cravasset ® is bound to revolutionize the music industry. Silk is stronger than steel, as you know. And it's very presidential too. You can seamlessly match the color of your getup for any possible performance and thus easily avoid any clashes or glaring fashion faux pas. You blend right in! It's a real winner. Comes in tort and all the colors you could ever possibly imagine.
Batteries sold separately.

 

[Drgonzonm]

This thread has done wonders. I'm done now with all the screwing and bolting. There's gotta be a better way.

It's true. And here it is!

My latest innovation in proper neck fixation, patent pending, utilizes the structural integrity of the silk necktie - specifically the long-tenon silk necktie. We're calling it The Cravasset ®.

The Cravasset ® is bound to revolutionize the music industry. Silk is stronger than steel, as you know. And it's very presidential too. You can seamlessly match the color of your getup for any possible performance and thus easily avoid any clashes or glaring fashion faux pas. You blend right in! It's a real winner. Comes in tort and all the colors you could ever possibly imagine.
Batteries sold separately.

We could also always nail the neck on, or use blind rivets. or duct tape, you know the ones with patterns on them.

 

[packrat]

Patterns of ducks?